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40. " It is unlikely that anyone would get infected from these people, but unlikely is not impossible"

Sat Oct 25, 2014, 11:41 PM

Oct 2014

Absolutely agree. I have also stated many times that I would never use the term "zero risk".

"because while doctors and nurses fully understand what they undertake in dealing voluntarily with ebola patients, and are on the lookout for their own health, ordinary citizens are completely unaware and thus can't protect themselves or their families adequately should they encounter the virus"

And that is why we are doing contact tracing. Those people are found, and educated, and instructed on what to do if they become ill. This does not interfere with their lives, save the stigmatism. If they appear to not understand the instructions, or if the public in uninformed, panicking and creating an issue for their safety, (which has been extremely hurtful in this situation) they are then quarantined. That is why we took in the homeless man in Dallas and quarantined him.

Ebola is a very serious disease, but the fear about it is becoming very unreasonable, and very unfortunate.

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Obama should rent a first class Hotel [View all] RobertEarl Oct 2014 OP

Well, much cheaper to the American public is that they get screened TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #1

Alternately, DWB/MSF could spring for a quarantine center like Samaritan's Purse did. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #4

The US can afford it RobertEarl Oct 2014 #79

It's unnecessary to quarantine and would ensure health workers won't want to work with patients KittyWampus Oct 2014 #7

Bullshit. These folks go to Africa and live in fucking tents or spartan conditions TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #8

so they should be rewarded by incarceration. But it's okay cause according to you they are well off. KittyWampus Oct 2014 #12

I don't call a quarantine at home "incarceration". Goodness, I've been incarcerated all day, TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #13

You were forced to stay in your home, prevented from leaving by someone else? uppityperson Oct 2014 #39

It wouldn't disturb me any more than it disturbed my neighbors, years ago, pnwmom Oct 2014 #59

even if you weren't sick enough to expose anyone? KMOD Oct 2014 #62

We know their chance of exposure isn't nil. Dr. Brantley and Dr. Spencer pnwmom Oct 2014 #69

here's what I dont get KMOD Oct 2014 #73

Bodily fluids. And vomit is a bodily fluid that carries the Ebola virus. pnwmom Oct 2014 #76

Well I'm dissapointed KMOD Oct 2014 #84

The article reports a VARIETY of opinions, not just one -- if you read it to the end pnwmom Oct 2014 #85

You are focusing on silly trivial things KMOD Oct 2014 #91

Hundreds? A couple of weeks ago it was 16. KamaAina Oct 2014 #98

You're right. I was thinking of medical workers overall, not just doctors from DWB. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #100

Yet you were free to leave if you wanted... Oktober Oct 2014 #94

It's unnecessary KMOD Oct 2014 #29

I'm a former critical care nurse. They need to be quarantined for public safety. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #33

" It is unlikely that anyone would get infected from these people, but unlikely is not impossible" KMOD Oct 2014 #40

The "contact tracing" would never end if a health care worker gets on a plane and lands at TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #42

The HCW or the informed contact KMOD Oct 2014 #44

There is simply no way to know, in busy public areas, everyone who TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #45

If they are not symptomatic, they are not symtomatic KMOD Oct 2014 #52

Your last sentence just isn't true. Even the CDC would have TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #56

Yep, your mind is made up. Believe what you want to believe. KMOD Oct 2014 #75

"Immediately." Not quite. By the time that public toilet was put out of service, pnwmom Oct 2014 #64

Forget it, I give up KMOD Oct 2014 #74

Could you just please read this one article before you give up? pnwmom Oct 2014 #82

And what exactly is a fever, pnwmom KMOD Oct 2014 #88

The WHO study defined "fever" as 100.4 degrees. The same criterion the CDC is using now. pnwmom Oct 2014 #89

by that definition. It doesn't mean their fever wasn't elevated KMOD Oct 2014 #90

You're right, if they only have a fever that's not a problem for a bystander. pnwmom Oct 2014 #92

Can we please get over the fever aspect KMOD Oct 2014 #93

DWB already tells them not to go back to work -- that they should stay home and rest for 3 weeks. pnwmom Oct 2014 #58

It's an abundance of caution KMOD Oct 2014 #66

They ask them to not go to work, which is the biggest factor for most people. pnwmom Oct 2014 #71

nice sentiment, but they can get in line bmac19gg Oct 2014 #2

Exactly. And these volunteers are usually people of means to begin with. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #5

"These volunteers are usually people of means to begin with" wtf? Don't realize how out of line KittyWampus Oct 2014 #9

They can pay for their own luxury suite. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #10

If they're asymptomatic there is no need for quarantine. Just because you are irrational KittyWampus Oct 2014 #14

I'm not irrational, sweetie pie. Bless your little heart. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #15

I think it is yours that need blessing. nt awoke_in_2003 Oct 2014 #28

Awww, you too! TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #35

And you know thuis how? HERVEPA Oct 2014 #18

I think they can afford their own accommodations, if they can afford to be TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #19

Yeh, MSF is flush with funds. Not using any of it to support their people who are HERVEPA Oct 2014 #20

I'm not unfeeling. But this suggestion is ridiculous. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #21

And not one of Duncan's family was infected. morningfog Oct 2014 #22

What makes you think MSF has money to spare? HERVEPA Oct 2014 #23

Does Samaritan's Purse? Organizations and businesses must come up with the funds TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #24

"Duncan's family was locked up with ebola-ridden filth for days." and how many got ebola? uppityperson Oct 2014 #86

Volunteers are usually people of means? What the fuck. That is seriously insulting. uppityperson Oct 2014 #41

A gilded cage is still a cage. And no visitors. A lonely guilded cage. And there is the science. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #3

Congress controls the purse strings. So you really mean Congress should rent a first class hotel. KittyWampus Oct 2014 #6

right...Obama can just allocate funds whereever he wants! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #11

Tell the DoD to finance it RobertEarl Oct 2014 #16

I know he cannot do whatever he wants....Congress holds the purse strings...only they can allocate VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #26

3000 troops to W. Africa RobertEarl Oct 2014 #27

He DOES have that power as Commander in Chief....as enumerated in the Constitution... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #31

The Republicans control the House. All appropriations begin in the House. MADem Oct 2014 #96

Obama would propose renting out the Greenbriar baldguy Oct 2014 #17

hey, I proposed the Greenbriar before I saw your post! AngryAmish Oct 2014 #103

Great minds think alike. baldguy Oct 2014 #105

A gilded cage is still a cage. greatlaurel Oct 2014 #25

I did not say mandatory, did i? RobertEarl Oct 2014 #30

They aren't looking for an upscale hotel room KMOD Oct 2014 #32

So lets give them some r&r RobertEarl Oct 2014 #50

If your idea is sincere, then it is very sweet, KMOD Oct 2014 #60

The old saying: RobertEarl Oct 2014 #65

Glad to hear you say that about Doctors Without Borders. zappaman Oct 2014 #68

:) I like win-win too! KMOD Oct 2014 #70

Beats a hospital RobertEarl Oct 2014 #77

Agree. n/t Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #34

21 days is nuts. mopinko Oct 2014 #36

Then do a series of ebola blood tests, for two weeks. After two weeks with TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #37

We can't be too risky RobertEarl Oct 2014 #38

And give them shopping money zappaman Oct 2014 #43

The internetz, you won them. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #46

You just lost. RobertEarl Oct 2014 #49

Oops, left out one zappaman Oct 2014 #51

What about those returning from fighting ISIS? Or genocide? Or famine? flvegan Oct 2014 #47

Sure. Them too RobertEarl Oct 2014 #48

What would happen if flvegan Oct 2014 #53

They might make a mistake and infect you? RobertEarl Oct 2014 #54

Point well-missed. flvegan Oct 2014 #55

Fancy quarantine is still quarantine. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #57

Set them up comfy RobertEarl Oct 2014 #61

Don't forget the Cuban cigars! zappaman Oct 2014 #63

I'm sure they'd rather go about their lives. Why do you have a problem with that? LeftyMom Oct 2014 #67

for Doctors their problem is not lack of money as it is Lack of Time JI7 Oct 2014 #72

What about the nurses? RobertEarl Oct 2014 #78

they don't make as much but the main issue is still time for them JI7 Oct 2014 #80

Time RobertEarl Oct 2014 #81

Leaving aside for the moment whether a quarantine is warranted/needed... Travelman Oct 2014 #83

This is not for known infected people RobertEarl Oct 2014 #87

I doubt any hotel would take them Travis_0004 Oct 2014 #95

Again: These are not infected people RobertEarl Oct 2014 #97

He can't---his credit card got denied..... msanthrope Oct 2014 #99

And free cable, too. (All the channels). AngryAmish Oct 2014 #101

The Greenbriar AngryAmish Oct 2014 #102

The Hale Koa Hotel in Waikiki would do nicely. KamaAina Oct 2014 #104

I know where!!!! zappaman Oct 2014 #106