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jen63

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63. I agree with the poster who said "great reply"

Sat Oct 11, 2014, 05:32 AM

Oct 2014

I don't think that there are any fundies on the left, or in the progressive movement. I can only speak about the Protestants and the Catholics that I know. I think that there are many Methodists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Lutherans and Catholics who vote democratic. I will leave out the Baptists; my brother started attending a Baptist church and now believes that the earth is only 6,000 years old. I think most of the others are into the social justice movement and if they have issues with abortion, the death penalty etc., they keep it to themselves.

I was raised as a Methodist and the only social causes I can remember being spoken about all centered around poverty. I don't remember the word abortion ever coming up. That's also been my experience with the Catholics I know also. They are fairly liberal religions and would be an asset to the left and the progressive movement.

Those fundies are a different breed of cat and their crazy talk spills over to the more liberal religions and makes them all look bad. I'm mostly agnostic with a little atheist bent; I'm still a work in progress and haven't quite figured out my truth yet, I do find religion fascinating though. Sorry such a long post!

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Should religious people whether Christian, Muslim, Jewish or whatever be welcome in the Democratic [View all] Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 OP

odd question surrealAmerican Oct 2014 #1

perhaps some place, but not always here on DU Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #4

DU is not the Democratic Party Mariana Oct 2014 #37

"DU is not the Democratic Party, nor is it the progressive movement. " YoungDemCA Oct 2014 #133

Ridiculous. Small minority. HERVEPA Oct 2014 #127

As long as they leave their religion out of politics, I don't care what their religion is. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #2

"Whoever receives one child like this in My name receives Me" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #9

"'And if ye mingle your affairs with theirs, then they are your brothers.'" hobbit709 Oct 2014 #11

If voting one's conscience is forcing beliefs on others then none of us should vote. nt Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #12

Does voting one's conscience include passing no gay marriage amendments and abortion restrictions? hobbit709 Oct 2014 #13

If that's what it takes, so be it LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #120

Perhaps you have reversed the order of the matter. nt Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #122

One needs social welfare to advocate for religion? LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #123

Or perhaps a sense of something higher coupled with moral duty leds to social welfare. nt Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #124

Which goes back to my original statement LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #125

Your statement implies social justice precedes and then faith is tacked on as an after thought to Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #129

My statement didn't imply anything LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #142

Why do you need a sense of something higher to do the right things? HERVEPA Oct 2014 #130

It seems to work better than a sense of Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #131

Thanks. Are you equating atheism with Suvival of the Fittest? HERVEPA Oct 2014 #132

I think evolutionart theory equates with survival of the fittest. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #135

I don't understand. Are you equating somehow belief in evolution to lack of caring about humanity? HERVEPA Oct 2014 #141

If charity were predicated on an evolutionary herd reflex Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #143

So again, to make sure I am not misunderstanding you LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #153

You are, in fact, very much misunderstanding me. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #155

The impression you are getting seems to be of your own manufacture LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #157

Errrr, perhaps I don't understand LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #145

I don't think we're getting an answer on that one. HERVEPA Oct 2014 #149

Should I believe in survival of the fittest as the underlying mechanism of life today? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #150

Should you believe in science? LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #151

Science is predicated upon the apprehension and comprehension (and virtue) of the observer. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #152

Ah, I see. Society should be governed by faith LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #154

Should society be governed by the principles drawn from our understanding o survival of the fittest? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #158

You seem to have conflated number of things LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #160

"their moral point of view is not dependent on faith." Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #161

Morals are aboslutely not dependent on faith LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #165

"Secular humanism, facts, and reason." Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #166

And? LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #167

"How does that...argue against the idea that faith isn't necessary for constructing a set of morals? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #168

Ahhh, yes LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #170

The absence of a sky wizard doesn't prove you have actual morality. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #171

You don't seem to understand logic LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #173

"believe in social justice" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #174

The Democratic Party and the progressive movements have always ... etherealtruth Oct 2014 #3

This atheist cares more about the progressive part than the religious part. arcane1 Oct 2014 #5

depends on what their views are, if they are opposed to teaching evolution like most republicans are JI7 Oct 2014 #6

Most Republicans? Bohunk68 Oct 2014 #117

The Overlords don't really care. immoderate Oct 2014 #7

^^ THIS ^^ KentuckyWoman Oct 2014 #22

Yes BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #8

Great reply! nt Union Scribe Oct 2014 #23

I agree with the poster who said "great reply" jen63 Oct 2014 #63

About half of the African American population identify as Baptist Revanchist Oct 2014 #139

But three big monotheisms have been subjugating people since the day they were made up. Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #95

Religion should have no bearing on government. nt valerief Oct 2014 #10

If an athiest government is best, which it is. Athieism is best for all. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #28

If we ever want to win an election again, sure... BklnDem75 Oct 2014 #14

I hold the freedom of religion and do not care what religion one may choose, I choose what Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #15

Brie on Chicken in a Basket crackers, edgineered Oct 2014 #16

Ugh... are you high, or just stupid? bobclark86 Oct 2014 #17

2‰ admit their atheism... Common sense would suggest the numbers are higher... Oktober Oct 2014 #19

no, I'm not high and I'm not stupid. I am autistic though and I have had a couple of shots of Scotch Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #21

Democrats have become accustomed to bad mouthing people they think are beneath them and then liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #27

that's true. In 2000 about 70% of Muslim Americans voted Republican as well as about 70% of Arab Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #36

Hmm.. That's funny, the Democrats treat Muslim and Arab Americans like they do leftists Fumesucker Oct 2014 #60

I hadn't thought of it that way. But I suppose they do Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #178

LGBT people vote 7O% and more Democratic, for all known electoral history. Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #80

That is a stereotype. Liberals disagree with some ideas of some Christians. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #62

I cannot but agree. Shrike47 Oct 2014 #77

"But, the essential messages of progressives and Christians are the same." Thank you! nt Stardust Oct 2014 #109

Welcomed and hopefully cured of their affliction... Oktober Oct 2014 #18

That's not welcoming. Union Scribe Oct 2014 #20

Only in the sense that I would welcome someone suffering from an affliction of OCD or PTSD as well.. Oktober Oct 2014 #33

It's a shame narcissistic personality disorders are untreatable. rug Oct 2014 #49

LOL! whathehell Oct 2014 #51

Indeed.. Fumesucker Oct 2014 #67

Deep enough interest to hear your internal thought request to keep all the lights green.... Oktober Oct 2014 #71

Why yes, that's exactly what religion is about. rug Oct 2014 #84

If it's any consolation, I don't tke a deep personal interest in you. rug Oct 2014 #83

Says the man with the Marx avatar... Oktober Oct 2014 #72

Oh, do you favor capitalism? rug Oct 2014 #85

Many are also left handed and attended school in the North East... Oktober Oct 2014 #86

The point is in the question you didn't answer. rug Oct 2014 #87

Yup.. Just like President Obama and every significant member of the Democratic party... Oktober Oct 2014 #88

And do you favor corporations? rug Oct 2014 #89

Brilliant! cordelia Oct 2014 #91

And we have our thread winner. Brigid Oct 2014 #118

Well, "serve one another in love" certainly sounds terrible gratuitous Oct 2014 #24

If you they are only doing it because of a fear of punishment... Oktober Oct 2014 #31

Well, that's your take gratuitous Oct 2014 #52

Yeah, the fundies on the right jen63 Oct 2014 #66

People do that anyway. Gore1FL Oct 2014 #56

No need to insult the beliefs of whistler162 Oct 2014 #94

It would be utterly fascinating to have you explain that wistful bit of humor... Oktober Oct 2014 #96

This sounds offensive to me Generic Other Oct 2014 #25

personally, I think religous people and all supporters of good will should be welcome - but if I Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #26

I think we need to be tolerant of each other Generic Other Oct 2014 #30

Bill Maher and those like him are bigots Scootaloo Oct 2014 #35

It should have nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with the policies one supports (NT) LostOne4Ever Oct 2014 #29

That artichoke spread sounds lovely. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #32

Interesting that some admitted we are not welcome here in their view. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #34

I'm not the least bit surprised. NaturalHigh Oct 2014 #100

I guess some here would have been none too happy about that "papist" JFK (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #38

Prehaps the question should be sarisataka Oct 2014 #39

Who says they aren't? Tikki Oct 2014 #40

10% of this survey say they are not - there have been many posts on DU which suggest religous people Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #44

10% of a poll of Democrats....means nothing. Tikki Oct 2014 #45

In 1980 Liberal = Jew. Read some Reagan. OilemFirchen Oct 2014 #41

Yes. They are very welcome, as far as I am concerned. nt ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #42

They can believe whatever the fuck they want. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #43

^This^ LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #147

I'll add politics to that, too. LanternWaste Oct 2014 #176

Depends.... Lars39 Oct 2014 #46

Simply put, it's deeds not creeds that ultimately matter. whathehell Oct 2014 #54

I would choose option 4, but... Kalidurga Oct 2014 #47

Can I have the crab meat used to stuff mushroom caps... FrodosPet Oct 2014 #48

I'm an Agnostic, Dyslectic Insomniac--I lay awake at night and wonder if there really is a dog. panader0 Oct 2014 #50

I want that dip!! bravenak Oct 2014 #53

ALL religious people of any sort should be shunned and banned from the Dem party. Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #55

Only if they share Democratic Party values eridani Oct 2014 #57

Awwwwww Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #58

I swear, it gets earlier every year. randome Oct 2014 #64

Well like the song says, it's hard out here for a Pope. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #69

Religious people ... NanceGreggs Oct 2014 #59

thank you Nance - unfortunately, the point I was trying to make has gone over some peoples' Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #111

Absolutely yes. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #61

Well, maybe they should start reflecting the core values of PEOPLE, instead. randome Oct 2014 #65

Values, religion and politics are all as imaginary as the others are... LanternWaste Oct 2014 #177

They already are, and have always been welcomed. baldguy Oct 2014 #68

Many liberals are religious and view their religious beliefs as a part of their liberalism. pampango Oct 2014 #70

Do you want to lose tens of millions of supporters? PlanetaryOrbit Oct 2014 #73

Warm Artichoke and Bacon Dip Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #74

Believers are welcomed and active in the Democratic Party Gothmog Oct 2014 #75

One of the problems with republicans; their inclusion of a single religion in politics liberal N proud Oct 2014 #76

As long as their views are progressive bigwillq Oct 2014 #78

I certainly hope so. NaturalHigh Oct 2014 #79

The label one announces to others is of no concern to me, I care about actions Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #81

If a person wants to believe in God thats their business madokie Oct 2014 #82

A most excellent philosophy. n/t cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #92

Hey Bro' madokie Oct 2014 #98

Do you think challenging religious beliefs edhopper Oct 2014 #90

I think that religious believers of all stripes, and nonbelievers, should be welcome in the LeftishBrit Oct 2014 #93

honestly I blame HG Wells for this: he promised a Godless, Anglophone, technocratic MisterP Oct 2014 #97

It's going to be a really small party once you kick them all out. dilby Oct 2014 #99

Oh, for fuck's sake. Iggo Oct 2014 #101

You need another option... 99Forever Oct 2014 #102

today's fight is the .01% against the rest of us questionseverything Oct 2014 #103

Religious people or fundies? Doctor_J Oct 2014 #104

We Have A Place RadicalGeek Oct 2014 #105

It'll be a darned small party if they aren't. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #106

the majority of them already are... lame54 Oct 2014 #107

We should welcome everyone. Lady Freedom Returns Oct 2014 #108

Good to see there are only 11 intolerant fucks so far. CBGLuthier Oct 2014 #110

now 12, but at least they are a very tiny and very nutty fringe Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #116

Martin Luther King was a believer, just as an example KinMd Oct 2014 #112

Everyone who supports the platform TBF Oct 2014 #113

The platform is fairly long and multifaceted YoungDemCA Oct 2014 #136

I don't think you need an TBF Oct 2014 #140

This is just a damn stupid question. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #114

thanks for kicking the poll Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #115

Of course - as long as they do not try to impose their beliefs on others whatthehey Oct 2014 #119

Is DU's religious tolerance somehow subject to question? DirkGently Oct 2014 #121

There are those among us who have contempt for ALL religion YoungDemCA Oct 2014 #137

It runs two ways. Some of the defenses of religious faith manage to come off as wildly bigoted Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #156

Of course, as long as they respect others'... Mike Nelson Oct 2014 #126

It's not a fucking country club. Orsino Oct 2014 #128

I didn't realize that the Democratic Party had purity tests YoungDemCA Oct 2014 #134

i voted for the hard bread, artichoke and crab meat. tiredtoo Oct 2014 #138

Are they voting for Democratic and Progressive candidates? el_bryanto Oct 2014 #144

Who is saying they're not welcome? Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #146

yes, unless they want their religious doctrines incorporated into public policy. nt La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #148

Seems like a backwards question Bradical79 Oct 2014 #159

Of course they should Dorian Gray Oct 2014 #162

I would think that "religious" Democrats are already in the overwhelming majority. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #163

If, but only if, their political views are liberal. Donald Ian Rankin Oct 2014 #164

Of course they should be welcomed... abakan Oct 2014 #169

Of course not, silly. KamaAina Oct 2014 #172

I think religious tests to be accepted into a political party would be a swell idea... LanternWaste Oct 2014 #175