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kelliekat44

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23. No. I do not support invading the sovereignty of any other nation that we are not at war with.

Mon Sep 22, 2014, 11:10 PM

Sep 2014

We are not at war with Syria. We were not at war with Iraq when we invaded. We claim sovereignty over air space over other countries setting up "no fly" zones at will. We bomb, blockade, boycott and ban and bamboozle at will. I don't support that imperial behavior by us or any other nation and it makes me sick. We are not a "Christian" nation. We do to others what we would not want them to do to us. It's disgusting. And I supported Obama because I thought he would be different. He dances to the same puppet masters. We dissed Saddam, and Gaddaffi so we didn't have to negotiate with them and we are doing the same with Assad yet we counted Musaharaff as a legitimate leader and the new Egyptian military master as legitimate even though they overthrew a legitimately elected government. We are not who we say we are. We are who PNAC says we are...make no mistake about it.

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OK, we started bombing a new country. Straight up or down: do you support it? [View all] Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 OP

Couldn't you wait until all the facts were in....you decided in an hour with limited information? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #1

Um...for what? To see what flavor the bombs are? To see if they're the new kind Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #3

Perhaps to see who is doing what? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #5

Let me go back to DU in 2003 to see if anyone waited for "who was doing what." nt Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #9

in less than an hour? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #15

Maybe you're right. Maybe we're dropping pillows and blankies on them. nt Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #17

So you object to the US harming members of ISIL? nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #42

When did we invent bombs that only hurt those we deem to be "bad guys"? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #56

Same time we invented the "click your heels together three times and the geek tragedy Sep 2014 #59

That doesn't even make any sense, geek. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #62

that's the nature of any weapon. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #64

Why can't Iraq bomb them? Its their fucking country. They will have to have their training wheels Erose999 Sep 2014 #97

We bomb, they fight on the ground. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #113

We are bombing both ISIL AND a "new" Al-Quada "affiliated" group in Syria. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2014 #130

Your point being . . . ? nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #131

The US is doing it, oh bright one. morningfog Sep 2014 #10

And if Arab Nations feel threatened and THEY are bombing.....bright one? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #14

Then no need for us to be there, nor does it legalize our involvement. morningfog Sep 2014 #18

Uh Bright one....we OWN Iraq because we broke it AND we do have American lives there.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #20

This tired and tortured bullshit. morningfog Sep 2014 #22

We broke it....its vulnerable to ISIL....we have to defend what little bullshit govt they have VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #28

You keep saying "we" Union Scribe Sep 2014 #33

My father was career military.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #52

I am not part of this "we" that broke Iraq, is anyone else here? That shit is 100% not my fault. Erose999 Sep 2014 #99

It's what we are dealing with by choice. We chose to join this bloody and long civil war. morningfog Sep 2014 #34

Yes....WE did... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #54

No Algernon Moncrieff Sep 2014 #47

we own Iraq? Just holy shit. cali Sep 2014 #91

Neocolonialism. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #108

you can be tired all you want VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #126

so try to learn to distinguish between fact and opinion, Vanilla. cali Sep 2014 #127

that is what i was addressing VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #128

We are killing them. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #101

Food Network doesn't take an hour. Come ON! NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #4

What the fuck? What rock have you been under for the past month? morningfog Sep 2014 #8

Uh you realize I got a hide for saying the EXACT phrase you just said.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #12

So alert? morningfog Sep 2014 #16

what facts are you talking about? cali Sep 2014 #90

We still don't have all the facts about our bombing of North Vietnam. Jim Lane Sep 2014 #124

Iraq maybe, Syria hell fucking no Hippo_Tron Sep 2014 #2

and if the other Arab nations are feeling like they need to kick some ISIL ass before they become VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #7

Yes and not just the Arab nations, Iran can fight them too if they want Hippo_Tron Sep 2014 #30

How do you know they are not yet? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #31

I didn't say they aren't, I'm just saying we don't need to get in the middle of it Hippo_Tron Sep 2014 #36

If the Arab nations insist because they don't want to appear to be taking responsibility for the VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #38

"kick some ISIL ass". that level of "thinking" is just sad. cali Sep 2014 #93

Right up there with "Kick Their Ass and Steal Their Gas" signs... WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2014 #129

No sense letting them have all that sanctuary creeksneakers2 Sep 2014 #6

Fuck no. morningfog Sep 2014 #11

I do support it Dwayne Hicks Sep 2014 #13

Here ya go Caretha Sep 2014 #88

HERP to the mutha fucking derp bobduca Sep 2014 #104

Do you think Syria's allies Feral Child Sep 2014 #119

I'm sick whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #19

so anyone who disagrees with you on bombing ISIS is an idiot? Hmm. nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #41

Heard that one before whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #45

so your position is that every time that US bombs anyone, it's an unqualified act of pure geek tragedy Sep 2014 #46

Most the time, yes. whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #55

"more death and terror on the world than any other nation ever has" geek tragedy Sep 2014 #58

I am opposed to our current actions overseas. NCTraveler Sep 2014 #116

Yes, I admit it was way hyperbolic whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #122

Have our airstrikes ever improved the Middle East? LittleBlue Sep 2014 #21

Yes. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #39

You're reaching badly. What the hell did that achieve? LittleBlue Sep 2014 #63

Maintaining the status quo was the best available option. Otherwise, you'd ahve what we have now. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #68

Going back to my point, what has bombing every improved in the Mid East? LittleBlue Sep 2014 #70

And bombing DID improve the situation. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #74

Yeah sure LittleBlue Sep 2014 #75

I proved my point. Bombing Iraq under Clinton improved the situation in the Middle East. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #80

Status quo is not an improvement. Has ANY US intervention is the Middle East ever improved anything? Erose999 Sep 2014 #100

Didn't our policies lead to 9-11, and the Middle East falling apart? grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #110

"We could have stepped in...in a coup maneuver..." Comrade Grumpy Sep 2014 #121

No. I do not support invading the sovereignty of any other nation that we are not at war with. kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #23

PNAC has posted their agenda Aerows Sep 2014 #29

Not just no Aerows Sep 2014 #24

Pass, because there is a lot going on that I do not know about. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #25

Lol. Union Scribe Sep 2014 #53

because most of the hair on fire rhetoric is coming from those opposed. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #57

Against Algernon Moncrieff Sep 2014 #26

Waiting for details.. too many different stories Peacetrain Sep 2014 #27

should FDR's dehousing-Germany strategy be copied in Syria? quadrature Sep 2014 #32

Actually the carpet bombing of Germany was the brainchild of the UK Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #83

I trust Obama to do the right thing. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #35

... woo me with science Sep 2014 #92

It's the only available strategy. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #37

Bullshit on tap whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #40

I have come up with an analogy....think of those guys at the Cliven Bundy Ranch VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #43

Well said. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #44

Aw, war buddies. nt Union Scribe Sep 2014 #48

. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #50

The key word is "over there". Its not our circus and those are not our monkeys. As for the Bundy Erose999 Sep 2014 #102

uh some of us went there and are now back.. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #112

And now you want to go back for more? I don't think most who've been there would cosign that stateme Erose999 Sep 2014 #114

how do you consider it the same VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #117

Personally, no. But if the administration were concerned about genocide, they'd have intervened in Erose999 Sep 2014 #118

I'm usually not wishy-washy on these things but I'm not sure on this one. BlueJazz Sep 2014 #49

No, because I can't imagine bombs raining down on me ecstatic Sep 2014 #51

+10000000 nt Mnemosyne Sep 2014 #60

likewise, i can't imagine being beheaded on youtube. misterhighwasted Sep 2014 #61

I agree with some of what you've said ecstatic Sep 2014 #66

Agree sort of, also. misterhighwasted Sep 2014 #71

I blame pretty much all Americans MattBaggins Sep 2014 #69

No. Not all cheered. I recall the tens of thousands who protested. misterhighwasted Sep 2014 #72

I said almost all MattBaggins Sep 2014 #79

yes. I hear ya and you are right. So many fools. misterhighwasted Sep 2014 #82

I'm sure you'd be just as dead as if they'd shot you. The beheadings are just theatre for shock Erose999 Sep 2014 #109

Yes as of right now based on the Arab coalition. nt. Hosnon Sep 2014 #65

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?? paid shills?? I was kinda thinking the same thing misterhighwasted Sep 2014 #76

We live in a propaganda state. woo me with science Sep 2014 #96

I'm guessing a paid shill alerted it. bobduca Sep 2014 #106

Well, the personas now are of sufficient numbers woo me with science Sep 2014 #111

How will we pay for it??? grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #73

Only 2 ways to go here LittleBlue Sep 2014 #77

Special tax on those that can afford it, too much to ask? grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #78

at the very least, we could heavily tax profiteering from war. grasswire Sep 2014 #84

Indeed. People fret about conditions in Syria as their neighbors are starving and homeless. Erose999 Sep 2014 #115

when you get a some shit on you, unblock Sep 2014 #81

"The more you stir in a pile of shit Aerows Sep 2014 #123

I am firmly conflicted Douglas Carpenter Sep 2014 #85

... countryjake Sep 2014 #86

I'm ambivilent, but the question is not quite accurate. Threedifferentones Sep 2014 #87

We bombed Raqqa and Aleppo. Most of the population in both cities is civilian cali Sep 2014 #94

bad idea, won't work KG Sep 2014 #89

I would probably not "support" bombing anyone. Orsino Sep 2014 #95

I do not support it (nt) bigwillq Sep 2014 #98

Choice of devils. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #103

I wish there were a better way treestar Sep 2014 #105

I don't know - and I hope this doesn't mean that I 'm a Monday morning quarterback hedgehog Sep 2014 #107

Against. Feral Child Sep 2014 #120

Not just no, a big hell fucking no!!! Initech Sep 2014 #125

No no no. cwydro Sep 2014 #132