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Octafish

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18. What one slave observed in a letter to his ex-master...
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 12:55 PM
Aug 2014

Dayton, Ohio,

August 7, 1865

To My Old Master, Colonel P.H. Anderson, Big Spring, Tennessee

Sir: I got your letter, and was glad to find that you had not forgotten Jourdon, and that you wanted me to come back and live with you again, promising to do better for me than anybody else can. I have often felt uneasy about you. I thought the Yankees would have hung you long before this, for harboring Rebs they found at your house. I suppose they never heard about your going to Colonel Martin's to kill the Union soldier that was left by his company in their stable. Although you shot at me twice before I left you, I did not want to hear of your being hurt, and am glad you are still living. It would do me good to go back to the dear old home again, and see Miss Mary and Miss Martha and Allen, Esther, Green, and Lee. Give my love to them all, and tell them I hope we will meet in the better world, if not in this. I would have gone back to see you all when I was working in the Nashville Hospital, but one of the neighbors told me that Henry intended to shoot me if he ever got a chance.

I want to know particularly what the good chance is you propose to give me. I am doing tolerably well here. I get twenty-five dollars a month, with victuals and clothing; have a comfortable home for Mandy,—the folks call her Mrs. Anderson,—and the children—Milly, Jane, and Grundy—go to school and are learning well. The teacher says Grundy has a head for a preacher. They go to Sunday school, and Mandy and me attend church regularly. We are kindly treated. Sometimes we overhear others saying, "Them colored people were slaves" down in Tennessee. The children feel hurt when they hear such remarks; but I tell them it was no disgrace in Tennessee to belong to Colonel Anderson. Many darkeys would have been proud, as I used to be, to call you master. Now if you will write and say what wages you will give me, I will be better able to decide whether it would be to my advantage to move back again.

As to my freedom, which you say I can have, there is nothing to be gained on that score, as I got my free papers in 1864 from the Provost-Marshal-General of the Department of Nashville. Mandy says she would be afraid to go back without some proof that you were disposed to treat us justly and kindly; and we have concluded to test your sincerity by asking you to send us our wages for the time we served you. This will make us forget and forgive old scores, and rely on your justice and friendship in the future. I served you faithfully for thirty-two years, and Mandy twenty years. At twenty-five dollars a month for me, and two dollars a week for Mandy, our earnings would amount to eleven thousand six hundred and eighty dollars. Add to this the interest for the time our wages have been kept back, and deduct what you paid for our clothing, and three doctor's visits to me, and pulling a tooth for Mandy, and the balance will show what we are in justice entitled to. Please send the money by Adams's Express, in care of V. Winters, Esq., Dayton, Ohio. If you fail to pay us for faithful labors in the past, we can have little faith in your promises in the future. We trust the good Maker has opened your eyes to the wrongs which you and your fathers have done to me and my fathers, in making us toil for you for generations without recompense. Here I draw my wages every Saturday night; but in Tennessee there was never any pay-day for the negroes any more than for the horses and cows. Surely there will be a day of reckoning for those who defraud the laborer of his hire.

In answering this letter, please state if there would be any safety for my Milly and Jane, who are now grown up, and both good-looking girls. You know how it was with poor Matilda and Catherine. I would rather stay here and starve—and die, if it come to that—than have my girls brought to shame by the violence and wickedness of their young masters. You will also please state if there has been any schools opened for the colored children in your neighborhood. The great desire of my life now is to give my children an education, and have them form virtuous habits.
Say howdy to George Carter, and thank him for taking the pistol from you when you were shooting at me.

From your old servant,

Jourdon Anderson.

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Could they leave if they wanted to? underpants Aug 2014 #1
Their very being slaves is mistreatment of their humanity. Blue_Adept Aug 2014 #2
Yes and physical and other forms of abuse accompanied that CreekDog Aug 2014 #4
Exactly XemaSab Aug 2014 #41
Thank you, Blue Adept. Cha Aug 2014 #79
exactly. magical thyme Aug 2014 #94
EXACTLY. The very word "SLAVES" answers definitivley this poll, just as "torture" suffices per se. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #140
They were given all the whippings and brutally hard physical labor that they could want. Orrex Aug 2014 #3
I've heard right wingers say that, but they never take me up on my offer to Marr Aug 2014 #5
Just like Hannity's whole "oh waterboarding isn't torture" thing. LisaLynne Aug 2014 #86
The condition of slavery is itself mistreatment. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #6
Slavery = mistreatment, end of story, no matter how "benevolent" nt steve2470 Aug 2014 #7
As many people pointed out yesterday- Starry Messenger Aug 2014 #8
That's very well done. In episode 2, the abolitionist says: Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #38
That's a brilliant episode too. Starry Messenger Aug 2014 #45
I'll bet one has to exercize massive amount of self control to deal with the Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #48
This is great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Marrah_G Aug 2014 #125
owning vs. renting a human. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #9
For the most part Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #10
Yup Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #14
i agree CreekDog Aug 2014 #17
Yup. Starry Messenger Aug 2014 #19
Well said. yardwork Aug 2014 #27
agreed- I had thought changes in hosting would result in RW, sexist,racist nut job OPs being locked? bettyellen Aug 2014 #31
The bigger question is zappaman Aug 2014 #54
I think one impacts the other, in that people see that RW crap is okay with hosts, so it must be ok bettyellen Aug 2014 #56
That's what I think too. Starry Messenger Aug 2014 #59
you see it in jury results, and in the hosts group too, a race to the bottom is what it is bettyellen Aug 2014 #66
Because some DUers think that anything should be allowed at DU... SidDithers Aug 2014 #96
Actually, I'd hoped the new GD SOP clarification would allow some latitude for hosts to lock hlthe2b Aug 2014 #62
As did I, and the SOPs would allow for many more locked threads if it was followed, as it was in LBN bettyellen Aug 2014 #64
+1... SidDithers Aug 2014 #99
Which is more likely to be cared for; a car you rent or a car you own? lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #65
Why are you changing the subject? Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #75
My thoughts exactly!!!! etherealtruth Aug 2014 #131
By its essential nature, enslavement = mistreatment. n/t hlthe2b Aug 2014 #11
Yes. CreekDog Aug 2014 #16
The very circumstance of BEING A SLAVE is mistreatment of the highest order tkmorris Aug 2014 #12
Might I ask what brought this about? Just out of curiosity. Xyzse Aug 2014 #13
I studied transatlantic slavery in college. yardwork Aug 2014 #29
I wasn't saying I believed them. Just mentioning what I heard... Xyzse Aug 2014 #36
It doesn't matter treestar Aug 2014 #15
What one slave observed in a letter to his ex-master... Octafish Aug 2014 #18
+1 CreekDog Aug 2014 #20
Come visit Detroit in February (and March) and see it performed on stage... Octafish Aug 2014 #22
That is genuinely a wonderful letter... Whiskeytide Aug 2014 #21
I looked this up, I was interested too. Starry Messenger Aug 2014 #23
It is wonderful...a window into the place where our world came from. Octafish Aug 2014 #24
What a GREAT LETTER. This should be in every kid's history book. nt Nay Aug 2014 #25
It likely would be... except for the fact it talks about fair wages for labor Scootaloo Aug 2014 #28
Slave sarisataka Aug 2014 #26
+1 ohnoyoudidnt Aug 2014 #34
yes, that is inhumane mistreatment CreekDog Aug 2014 #39
Many farmers treated their work horses well too--bottom line a man or a woman is not a horse. bklyncowgirl Aug 2014 #30
Slavery is destructive both to the slave and the master.... Rowdyboy Aug 2014 #32
Of course they were mistreated. ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #33
it is CreekDog Aug 2014 #40
It's a trick question Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #35
No, it's not a trick question. CreekDog Aug 2014 #37
So why ask it as a poll question? Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #42
yes, and what would be wrong with someone answering yes getting swarmed and bounced? CreekDog Aug 2014 #43
It's more interesting to discuss quotes in which there are two valid viewpoints Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #50
are you saying it's a trick question because a bigot might answer honestly and reveal their feelings CreekDog Aug 2014 #44
Nobody with more than half a brain would answer that question "yes" in this venue. Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #52
Just as I thought. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #93
I'm not trying to trap anybody and this OP hasn't trapped anybody CreekDog Aug 2014 #95
A " K & R" is a cloddish way to gather the same information. Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #109
I look at poster's patterns. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #114
Looking at a poster's patterns is a criticism often leveled at the OP, as evidenced in this thread. Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #115
are you threatening me? CreekDog Aug 2014 #116
Oh, heaven's no! You're my good buddy, you're the cowbell in my otherwise sedate DU world. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #121
For the same reason CreekDog asks any poll question. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #68
Jeff...Jeff...Jeff Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #69
Since I'm already on the list, I see little reason to participate in any more polls. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #70
Feel free to participate in my polls Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #71
hey, I don't keep score nor do i keep records CreekDog Aug 2014 #81
I'm done playing. I'm now in mourning Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #83
+1 CreekDog Aug 2014 #84
RIP Robin Williams. =( nt AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #90
Even if *some* slaveowners were sometimes "nice" to their slaves.... YoungDemCA Aug 2014 #46
There is no such thing as a good slaveowner Hugabear Aug 2014 #47
What is the point of this survey question? oberliner Aug 2014 #49
i think pointing out that DUers are united in opposing this RW quote (posted here by another...) CreekDog Aug 2014 #55
OK oberliner Aug 2014 #57
Neo-Confederate propaganda, which has been around for decades. Paladin Aug 2014 #51
Being bought and sold like a farm animal is mistreatment not to mention ladjf Aug 2014 #53
FYI: there was such a thing as "benevolent slavery". ieoeja Aug 2014 #58
My opinion only: What you describe would not truly be considered slavery Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #61
Slavery was nothing less than an extreme tragedy. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #74
Is this the substitute thread for the annual Generic Other Aug 2014 #60
Mistreated is not the language I would use, brutalized, terrorized and on and on. Owning another Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #63
Sadly, false. Many were. nt AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #67
oh you didn't say that..."Many" slaves were mistreated? Seriously? CreekDog Aug 2014 #72
Don't be an asshole about this. Please. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #73
i asked a simple question CreekDog Aug 2014 #76
"it's not a game of gotcha." Are you sure? AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #78
yeah and i'd like to stop hearing your whining about being a victim of your own words CreekDog Aug 2014 #82
What whining? AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #88
It's axiomatic that a slave is mistreated. chrisa Aug 2014 #77
All slaves were mistreated... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #80
180-0 so far Takket Aug 2014 #85
And that's a good thing, in my view. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #89
i agree it's a good thing CreekDog Aug 2014 #98
Why the use of past tense? NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #87
the simple fact is this thread isn't for arguments, it's to show unity CreekDog Aug 2014 #92
We still have Slavery today ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #126
If you think American slavery is limited to the use of African slaves during the 17-19th century.... NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #130
You neglected to mention that all of the forms of slavery ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #134
Duh. Your link comes from my reply. Legality has nothing to do with it. It exists, FFS. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #135
Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #136
I went to high school in the south and there was a lot of revisionist history around slavery. alarimer Aug 2014 #91
Of those who chose "other" only Algernon has provided his thoughts.. hlthe2b Aug 2014 #97
Who on Earth said that?! KamaAina Aug 2014 #100
A DUer. Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #104
Phew! KamaAina Aug 2014 #106
Someone started a thread after seeing "12 Years a Slave" saying it wasn't always so bad.... bettyellen Aug 2014 #105
Jebus. KamaAina Aug 2014 #107
my thoughts exactly. apparently the SOP covers the rants of dumbshit racists these days.... bettyellen Aug 2014 #108
and a jury wouldn't hide the statement saying slaves weren't mistreated CreekDog Aug 2014 #113
Enslavement IS Mistreatment ! (to put it lightly) Motown_Johnny Aug 2014 #101
right justabob Aug 2014 #117
It is true that some slaveowners tried to protect their investment KamaAina Aug 2014 #102
True or False, most liquid water is wet? TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #103
doesn't matter if they were mistreated in the classical sense (beating). being owned as property is dionysus Aug 2014 #110
I know what this is in response to, and I have to say the jury system is broken, joeybee12 Aug 2014 #111
slavery is still legal and is always an injustice to those mistreated Sunlei Aug 2014 #112
REALLY ?! NM_Birder Aug 2014 #118
Being bought and sold is being mistreated. Brickbat Aug 2014 #119
yep, yep, yep CreekDog Aug 2014 #120
You really should have put a link to whatever OP or reply prompted this whole discussion. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #122
Skippy, stop being lazy. If you know a better way to post something, DO IT YOURSELF CreekDog Aug 2014 #123
I get it, I know, this is a "Unity Poll" to prove to Freepers that we are united in our whatever. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #124
What the....? The condition of slavery is the definition of cruelty. MADem Aug 2014 #127
yes. CreekDog Aug 2014 #128
Even if you treat someone like royalty, denying them freedom equals mistreatment. Hosnon Aug 2014 #129
They were kidnapped from their homes and families rustydog Aug 2014 #132
Would have been relevant 150 years ago. badtoworse Aug 2014 #133
You mean we shouldnt talk about it or teach about it? CreekDog Aug 2014 #138
This message was self-deleted by its author Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #139
It's just not that high on the radar right now. badtoworse Aug 2014 #141
whatever CreekDog Aug 2014 #143
So? badtoworse Aug 2014 #144
we're going to talk about it whether you want to change the subject or not CreekDog Aug 2014 #145
Knock yourself out. badtoworse Aug 2014 #146
It is false unmitigated bullshit Tom Ripley Aug 2014 #137
The statement is stunningly ignorant! Greybnk48 Aug 2014 #142
Anyone who thinks slaves weren't mistreated needs to read some narratives Lydia Leftcoast Aug 2014 #147
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