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kwassa

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186. If this is a rebuttal, then it failed. You didn't answer me.

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:47 PM

Apr 2014

I find you condescending and dismissive, in my humble opinion, and as I previously pointed out, you argue only by assertion.

Why are your opinions about African-American involvement more valid that those of African-Americans? Not only bravenak, but a host of other DU African-Americans? Bravenak is stating a commonly-held perception, and she is so good because she states it very clearly and well.

You attempt to minimize it by declaring it to be just her individual opinion, as if you had any knowledge of that, which you don't, of course. You appear to have little actual knowledge of African-Americans, not that this has prevented you from having strong opinions about them, in their relation to the left.

What contact do you have in your life, on a personal level, with African-Americans? You failed to answer all my questions on that.

And what I know about you is what you present yourself to be in this forum. If you think I know nothing about you, then you need to present yourself differently. What I see so far is not too impressive, or knowledgeable.

I think you are the exact type of white progressive that is the problem. You think you know something you have no experience with.

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The Unbearable Whiteness of the American Left [View all] xchrom Apr 2014 OP

Let us not bash African Americans, Asians, Whites, etc. Gary Garrison Apr 2014 #1

It's not bashing to point out that even the left has issues with representation. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #2

True, but that's rather different from outright exclusion, though, truthfully speaking. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #194

That is not who the OP is bashing AT ALL. merrily Apr 2014 #3

conscious and unconscious heaven05 Apr 2014 #5

Discussions of systemic racism are not "bashing" gollygee Apr 2014 #31

+1 lunasun Apr 2014 #41

There's nothing that says that this was the case here, though. nt AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #54

Saying the left has an issue is not the same as saying "both sides are equally bad." merrily Apr 2014 #93

representation alone is de facto evidence of systemic problems Supersedeas Apr 2014 #357

I don't think that was the intention, TBH. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #191

I have noticed this problem with the left. bravenak Apr 2014 #4

+1000 JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #11

Good morning! bravenak Apr 2014 #23

I followed the recent heaven05 Apr 2014 #25

The zimmerman trial horrified me. bravenak Apr 2014 #154

I was horrified as well. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #190

I just hope he lives and suffers. bravenak Apr 2014 #193

That we can agree on. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #195

Right on. bravenak Apr 2014 #196

But didn't the right-wingers raise a lot of money for his defense? There are plenty of people who Cal33 Apr 2014 #212

You posed a good question that i do not think i can answer. bravenak Apr 2014 #334

The Left? freebrew Apr 2014 #35

bravenak - don't answer it JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #36

Saw your journal. bravenak Apr 2014 #49

There's the conservative left and then there's the left of the left. merrily Apr 2014 #107

but there's a more general point to be made about broad areas of representation Supersedeas Apr 2014 #360

I didn't realize it was all/mostly minorities that don't vote in the midterms Doctor_J Apr 2014 #40

Show me where i said it's ALL/MOSTLY anybody. bravenak Apr 2014 #44

i'd like to see some numbers attached to this assertion Supersedeas Apr 2014 #363

Who is this "left" of whom you speak? Comrade Grumpy Apr 2014 #51

The same left the article speaks of. bravenak Apr 2014 #62

Well, the article mentions one particular organization. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2014 #94

What you are talking about sound like part of the solution. bravenak Apr 2014 #98

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #109

Yeah there is that. bravenak Apr 2014 #116

Exactly, bravenak. sheshe2 Apr 2014 #167

I think once people calm down a bit. bravenak Apr 2014 #169

I'm sorry, but this isn't reall true. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #56

You are doing it now. bravenak Apr 2014 #60

"You are doing it now." Not true. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #64

Thank you for telling me who i speak for, sir. bravenak Apr 2014 #69

It's not that there aren't problems. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #77

Using the words discontent idealists is shutting me down. bravenak Apr 2014 #83

I was a discontented idealist of a sort myself, once, btw.....so I do speak from experience. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #85

Nice. bravenak Apr 2014 #89

I did. And it's not all bad, TBH. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #91

You are excluding bravenak's life experience right now. What a contradiction. kwassa Apr 2014 #156

I wasn't excluding anyone. To the contrary, in fact, if you read everything I've written so far. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #164

And what make you think your observation is more objective than anyone else's? kwassa Apr 2014 #168

Bravo!!! U4ikLefty Apr 2014 #174

Thank you. kwassa Apr 2014 #175

Oh, come on, now. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #177

If this is a rebuttal, then it failed. You didn't answer me. kwassa Apr 2014 #186

Now you're just being blatantly dishonest. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #189

You are making some ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #246

"vicarious observations equal the lived experience of others" Which I never implied, btw. nt AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #257

No, you haven't "implied" it ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #260

Mind backing that up? nt AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #261

Oh for the love of god, stop. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2014 #269

Sure ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #273

That last quote actually disproves your argument altogether. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #275

Okay ... I'm done ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #278

That's not true, and I've tried to explain to you why. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #342

Sure you did. In fact, this is pretty much all that you do in these threads. kwassa Apr 2014 #340

And you sir, have proven to be a complete fool on this thread. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #341

Exactly ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #344

True. I agree with you. kwassa Apr 2014 #339

talking past each other Supersedeas May 2014 #368

My bad. This was strange, so i gave up. bravenak May 2014 #369

You did all you could do Supersedeas May 2014 #371

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #70

"You're doing it now" was my first thought when I read your prior post, before I saw merrily Apr 2014 #113

"But we do listen to each other by and large." Number23 Apr 2014 #176

Sorry to break your bubble, but you are definitely wrong. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #180

The only bubble around here is the one in which you have encased your ego Number23 Apr 2014 #183

I'm sorry, but it seems like there's a bit of an objectivity problem here. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #187

Reading your responses are like this old joke boston bean Apr 2014 #215

Holy hell, yes. Starry Messenger Apr 2014 #226

Actually, it's more like ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #240

It does honestly get kinda frustrating..... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #262

I think they understood you perfectly clear. boston bean Apr 2014 #272

But my life experience informed opinion ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #280

I suspect he has not been in the world for very long. Squinch Apr 2014 #350

No, I suspect he has been in the world ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #353

The problem is trying to argue with someone who clearly has more direct experience with the subject nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #315

But this wasn't about racism in general. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #322

I read virtually every post in this thread. And it seemed you were, perhaps unintentionally, placing nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #323

Well, I do apologize if I gave off a bad impression. nt AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #325

Maybe you didn't mean to, but it seemed like you were trying to argue against people who reasonably nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #338

I did try to make my position as clear as possible, though. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #343

Why is it so difficult for you to hear ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #239

"...you are devaluing the lived experience of others..." No more than what others had done to me.... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #242

BUT YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH RACISM/THE BLACK EXPERIENCE VIS-A-VIS RACISM ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #243

But this convo wasn't quite about racism in general, now, was it? AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #245

Yes, IT IS. ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #247

But you're implying, whether you mean to or not, that your opinion is more "informed" than that nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #324

Boy are you ever doing it! Let me guess, feminists are also bettyellen Apr 2014 #254

*Rolls eyes* Such fail. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #259

Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #276

..... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #279

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #281

you nailed that one. I remeber Joe giving women here the same old brush off.... bettyellen Apr 2014 #316

Absolutely ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #326

that you cite "sex negative" as a faction of feminist shows how very little you do know.... bettyellen Apr 2014 #354

To the contrary, actually. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #355

I'm sure you could fill a book with what you think you know about feminism. But you betrayed your bettyellen Apr 2014 #356

"I am not the one with a head filled with stereotypes here." O rly? ;-) AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #358

that's the underlying point Supersedeas May 2014 #367

... merrily Apr 2014 #112

You're not going to get anything but gasps and pearl-clutching here Scootaloo Apr 2014 #108

See the shock and anger? bravenak Apr 2014 #121

Speak your truth. merrily Apr 2014 #123

Sure i'll be shut up soon enough. bravenak Apr 2014 #125

I encourage you never to hold it back for any reason, esp. merrily Apr 2014 #129

"I think we shoud be open with opinions and talk things through." Okay, that's fine. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #264

your exchange with joe was very enlightening on this issue. dionysus Apr 2014 #165

I found it so. bravenak Apr 2014 #170

it illustrated the point you were making perfectly. dionysus Apr 2014 #171

I do it too sometimes. bravenak Apr 2014 #172

looking inward and questioning oneself isn't the easiest thing to do! dionysus Apr 2014 #173

As I've admitted, I've had to do that myself. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #267

hey, no one is prefect by any means... dionysus Apr 2014 #289

Very enlightening. Thanks for sticking your neck out. bettyellen Apr 2014 #255

No problem. bravenak Apr 2014 #330

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #122

I forgot. bravenak Apr 2014 #124

Yep. Why do I get the feeling this will be the first OP from this person that doesn't hit 100 recs? Number23 Apr 2014 #178

You're exactly right, unfortunately. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #151

So white Dems are to blame AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #200

Lookit you. bravenak Apr 2014 #202

the numbers seem to bear that out Supersedeas Apr 2014 #359

"They haven't figured out yet how their slacking off in midterms effects the stuff they claim to... DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #361

I see what you are saying and i agree with you. bravenak Apr 2014 #362

Thanks for the reply. Regarding free community college... DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #364

There are groups which both sides of the aisle consider their 'pets.' It's not hard to find them. freshwest May 2014 #373

Thank you.nt bravenak May 2014 #374

I think it depends which "left" you're talking about - TBF Apr 2014 #6

Well said! Fairgo Apr 2014 #10

I would never caucus with the New Black Panthers JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #12

I know the party has thrown Cornell West TBF Apr 2014 #13

nope - not the party JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #15

I will do that - TBF Apr 2014 #24

I don't JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #145

Harris-Perry & Dyson are both decent and genuine liberals. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #65

Not to be picky but Huey was dead by the time the New BPP formed. former9thward Apr 2014 #114

A statement from the foundation at the link JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #127

And Huey died in 1989. former9thward Apr 2014 #130

I'm well aware of that JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #136

Agree with you 100% former9thward Apr 2014 #139

And Huey would have been horrified by them, I'm sure. nt AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #266

I don't know anyone Jamaal510 Apr 2014 #207

In a pic from JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #208

The old Black Panthers were a fine group. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #57

Limousine or latte liberal elitists are not liberals at all. merrily Apr 2014 #126

I can't argue with that. nt TBF Apr 2014 #133

I would dare say well over half the people here send their kids to non-public schools shaayecanaan Apr 2014 #7

Doubtful - you might try a poll on that. TBF Apr 2014 #14

*MORE*. More damage. Way more. Smarmie Doofus Apr 2014 #16

Yeah but gollygee Apr 2014 #37

A stinging, but necessary, critique. Richardo Apr 2014 #8

I disagree. Why the urge to form liberal circular firing squads at this point...... Paladin Apr 2014 #19

When ya have enough dinos in the party this is bound to happen. L0oniX Apr 2014 #28

True. So true. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #58

We shouldn't admit our own problems, even to each other? merrily Apr 2014 #135

Hmm gollygee Apr 2014 #157

The poster to whom I responded is the poster who thinks we should not fire on each other. merrily Apr 2014 #197

It's one thing to hone and perfect our own principles. Paladin Apr 2014 #166

Is your point that the OP or other posters on this thread are raking Dems over the coals? merrily Apr 2014 #205

Or many a DUer. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #55

Whoa. bravenak Apr 2014 #66

LOL. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #74

I don't know enough about the Democratic Party's Interior Workings Demeter Apr 2014 #9

It is a combo nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #33

"The black middle class was reportedly wiped out by the bank mortgage frauds..." SMC22307 Apr 2014 #229

Plus, Now they are working on wiping out the white middle class Demeter Apr 2014 #235

Interesting take on taboo topic. K and R n/t Smarmie Doofus Apr 2014 #17

So in the example given Crepuscular Apr 2014 #18

Well hell... as a white guy, I guess I should just sit in the corner... Adrahil Apr 2014 #20

awwww heaven05 Apr 2014 #22

I appreciate the sympathy! ;) NT Adrahil Apr 2014 #27

Don't do that. Come join us in North Carolina... WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2014 #29

Count your blessings, ye Master of the Universe Demeter Apr 2014 #46

Good reply. Adrahil Apr 2014 #48

Not by me! Demeter Apr 2014 #53

To you too! :) NT Adrahil Apr 2014 #153

That response is such a cartoon. And it perfectly proves the OP's point. Squinch Apr 2014 #110

May I suggest... Adrahil Apr 2014 #211

Suggest whatever you like. Squinch Apr 2014 #297

They may want to put us all through a meat grinder or something. Skip Intro Apr 2014 #204

K&R stonecutter357 Apr 2014 #21

This is an on going effort to turn children into uneducated poor people and keep them that way. L0oniX Apr 2014 #26

The American Left is the most diverse in the world. JaneyVee Apr 2014 #30

Yep. We may not always do a perfect job..... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #59

Did you miss that the person asking the initial "offending" question ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #68

Didn't miss a thing. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #71

So your think it's welcoming ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #80

Wait.....are you implying that I'm sort of bigot?(I hope not) AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #81

Not at all ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #90

Okay, that's good. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #92

Your minimizing the issue/concern is not helping. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #96

"we need to be careful and not exaggerate whatever problems DO exist." JTFrog Apr 2014 #263

"Actually we NEED to be careful and NOT MINIMIZE whatever problems DO exist." That's true, too. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #265

all you have to do to see if mstinamotorcity2 Apr 2014 #32

. underpants Apr 2014 #34

Politics is money. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #38

Exactly! We have a winner here! Demeter Apr 2014 #47

K&R Solly Mack Apr 2014 #39

African Americans comprise 8.8% pscot Apr 2014 #42

Black Voter Turnout Rate Passes Whites In 2012 Election JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #43

Obama blames lack of African American, Latino turnout for Democrats’ midterm woes SMC22307 Apr 2014 #100

So we should ensure it happens again by ignoring what they say? bravenak Apr 2014 #104

So let me get this straight: White liberals are to blame for... SMC22307 Apr 2014 #111

What do you think? bravenak Apr 2014 #118

I'm a white liberal who runs to the polls every election... SMC22307 Apr 2014 #128

Hmmm. bravenak Apr 2014 #134

I do want answers. SMC22307 Apr 2014 #150

Some people do not show up because the issues that they put up front are not addressed. bravenak Apr 2014 #152

Unemployment in some of those counties I'm referring to... SMC22307 Apr 2014 #155

Yes jobs is ranked high. bravenak Apr 2014 #162

They sat out 2010 because they didn't get their ponies? SMC22307 Apr 2014 #219

Who votes consistantly? bravenak Apr 2014 #288

If You Are Correct RobinA Apr 2014 #258

If you can't get off from your second job. bravenak Apr 2014 #286

"white liberals just get mad at you for not caring about THEIR pet issues" SMC22307 Apr 2014 #290

Good. bravenak Apr 2014 #291

If you were being honest, you'd know my laughter.... SMC22307 Apr 2014 #303

If you were being honest. bravenak Apr 2014 #308

I am. You do the same. (n/t) SMC22307 Apr 2014 #309

One issue I saw JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #143

This is what i mean!!! bravenak Apr 2014 #146

Thank you JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #160

People sometimes seems shocked that most of the country is not up in arms over the nsa. bravenak Apr 2014 #182

You read OPs out loud to people? SMC22307 Apr 2014 #228

Do you care? bravenak Apr 2014 #299

Fascinating. (n/t) SMC22307 Apr 2014 #307

Give us a reason to vote JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #132

Jobs, healthcare, voter suppression, protection of the social safety net, SMC22307 Apr 2014 #158

Depending on your gender JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #159

Brava! SMC22307 Apr 2014 #163

Bravenak JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #209

Wow, one of your comments made me sad. DebJ Apr 2014 #220

DebJ JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #230

Above where? This thread is getting a bit unwieldy. SMC22307 Apr 2014 #224

EH? JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #231

Thanks for answering my questions about turnout... SMC22307 Apr 2014 #232

I did give you answers JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #234

But Obama doesn't have a magic wand and couldn't do it overnight... SMC22307 Apr 2014 #236

What's You Point? RobinA Apr 2014 #45

I read this and looked up the sign, "children are more than test scores" and found this... Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #50

This ought to be an OP. Squinch Apr 2014 #115

Maybe I will post the link to the blog in an OP, so everyone has the opportunity of reading through Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #131

I'd love to read it. Squinch Apr 2014 #293

This is definitely unfortunate, no doubt.....but this isn't really a case of exclusion..... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #52

Amazingly ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #61

I know. bravenak Apr 2014 #63

"then proceed to tell me my REAL problem. Which is always me." Well..... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #67

WOW ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #72

I'm sorry you feel that way. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #76

Honestly you two have been obnoxious the last few days Union Scribe Apr 2014 #78

Your disapproval is noted ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #86

I see some that forgot to show their rears in the other thread are doing it here Number23 Apr 2014 #179

Very Few People RobinA Apr 2014 #250

Taking your scenario ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #252

There's some good points here, Robin. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #300

Really joe? bravenak Apr 2014 #75

I'm not mad at you, but I *am* getting a little frustrated with this controversy in general, TBH. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #79

To me it is necessary. bravenak Apr 2014 #82

See what i mean? bravenak Apr 2014 #88

You have a wonderfully unanswerable accusation there. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #84

If you ask me why I do not engage in something ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #95

As far as you personally are concerned yes, as far as a demographic is concerned no. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #199

So are you not suggesting that ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #214

I'm suggesting that both our life experiences are utterly statistically insignificant. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #249

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #251

Makes sense to me. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #285

Sadly, that does seem to be a bit of a problem on here. Sad but true. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #284

I had to look this group up, this was their first national conference, there were 20 Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #73

Honestly, given some of the "discussions" around here lately, Blue_In_AK Apr 2014 #87

Good for you! Squinch Apr 2014 #351

+1,000 ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #352

Fine. Don't want help from lily-whites? SMC22307 Apr 2014 #97

Whaaa? bravenak Apr 2014 #99

Yes, because many replies in this thread have "team" written all over them. SMC22307 Apr 2014 #101

What do i know? I'm just a discontent idealist. bravenak Apr 2014 #103

What many replies on this thread have written all over them is merrily Apr 2014 #140

Per the alternet piece, "they had no voice." SMC22307 Apr 2014 #148

I've been seeing on this thread, merrily Apr 2014 #206

I have absolutely no idea what your first paragraph means. SMC22307 Apr 2014 #221

..... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #282

That's a creepy post. If I were you, I'd self delete. Squinch Apr 2014 #117

+1 merrily Apr 2014 #137

Right? Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #141

Bobbie Jo, just when I think I have seen everything that DU has to "offer" Number23 Apr 2014 #181

Just reading through this thread Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #184

Even that one shocked me Number23 Apr 2014 #198

My thoughts exactly! JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #213

I "kinda" think the gist of it is etherealtruth Apr 2014 #119

If you won't self delete, I'll ask you this: You don't want help from minorities and women? Squinch Apr 2014 #318

I don't feel that I'm at war with my fellow Democrats. SMC22307 Apr 2014 #328

So your uber creepy post #97 is what? Your effort to help us all get along? Squinch Apr 2014 #329

More a reaction to an inaccurate article... SMC22307 Apr 2014 #331

Well, gosh. If you are sick of it, then we better not talk about it. Squinch Apr 2014 #332

Talk about it all you want. SMC22307 Apr 2014 #333

No. I'll expect creepy posts that suggest that "lily-whites" are the ones who will Squinch Apr 2014 #335

The article is nonsense. SMC22307 Apr 2014 #336

Go ahead and take your ball and go home to punish those who suggested Squinch Apr 2014 #337

Their voices weren't excluded. SMC22307 Apr 2014 #365

Do you really have to say, "IF" their voices were excluded? Squinch May 2014 #372

Depends what level you're looking at, I think muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #102

An entire state votes for Senator. For members of Congress, the people who live around them vote merrily Apr 2014 #142

At some point "we" need to acknowledge the racism that exists on the left etherealtruth Apr 2014 #105

Well stated; but won't happen because ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #120

People can surprise you .... sometimes in horrible ways etherealtruth Apr 2014 #138

Sometimes, fried chicken and watermelon are just merrily Apr 2014 #144

I can't even begin to wrap my mind around this etherealtruth Apr 2014 #147

I swear to god it's like reading free republic. boston bean Apr 2014 #218

so if sterling apologizes those who were offended are the problems ............ JI7 Apr 2014 #188

? Are you saying I said that? merrily Apr 2014 #201

Thanks for the link to te Fried chicken thread JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #210

There were quite a few fried chicken threads around that same time. merrily Apr 2014 #223

I remember all of them JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #248

Well, I think Sterling was being quite the bigoted asshole. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #274

+ 1 freaking thousand. boston bean Apr 2014 #216

*Sigh*.....it's apparent that you don't quite get it either. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #277

Gosh. No one seems to get your point but you. I wonder why? Squinch Apr 2014 #295

"Gosh. No one seems to get your point but you. I wonder why?" Maybe it's because..... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #298

You are bringing irony to new levels here. Squinch Apr 2014 #302

... to levels I really didn't think possible etherealtruth Apr 2014 #314

Amazing place, Squinch Apr 2014 #317

Could not better illustrate the issue raised by the OP gollygee Apr 2014 #321

Gives me a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach etherealtruth Apr 2014 #349

Please share more of your of your experience as a person of color ... etherealtruth Apr 2014 #313

Self-righteous jack-asses usually don't make good organizers: to put people in motion, struggle4progress Apr 2014 #106

There are some good points you make here. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #256

The unbearable responses to this thread gollygee Apr 2014 #149

+ 2 freakin thousand. boston bean Apr 2014 #217

Wait.....wut? I don't even.....gah. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #271

Yep that's exactly how I've felt gollygee Apr 2014 #283

Oh, but don't forget we're doing that WHILE insisting that there is no racism on the left. Squinch Apr 2014 #296

ROFL gollygee Apr 2014 #312

I should point out that the "Left" in America is powerless. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2014 #161

This thread had been both illuminating and disturbing n/t Godhumor Apr 2014 #185

A quote ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #192

Not about exclusion IMO, but about failure to be proactive eridani Apr 2014 #203

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #237

And sometimes, we do fall short. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #270

A good reminder. Also important to remember that there are regional differences. stevenleser Apr 2014 #222

Julian Vasquez Heilig who sits on the board of the organization the article is about Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #227

Very good reminder steve! JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #233

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #238

Very true. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #268

+1 bravenak Apr 2014 #294

I guess my question, after reading the article, is this: DebJ Apr 2014 #225

K&R - The dismissive tone of many of the reponses in this thread is myrna minx Apr 2014 #241

IMO ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #244

"and it's proving the OP." Hardly. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #253

attempting to divide the left warrprayer Apr 2014 #287

Good, pretend its all good then. bravenak Apr 2014 #292

Pipe down, when we want your opinion we'll give it to you. Throd Apr 2014 #304

Thank you, suh! bravenak Apr 2014 #306

Although I don't think this was at all the intention with this OP..... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #301

tactics warrprayer Apr 2014 #305

I think I first really learned about this thru Mae Brussell's show. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #310

thanks warrprayer Apr 2014 #311

So people who discuss racism they have experienced only THINK they have experienced Squinch Apr 2014 #319

Not. What. I. Said. At. All. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #320

My husband was in the student movement in the 60's. He said this same critique Peregrine Took Apr 2014 #327

the thing about "grassroots oganizing" hopemountain Apr 2014 #345

You make so much sense. bravenak Apr 2014 #346

thank you, bravenak hopemountain Apr 2014 #347

No, thank you! bravenak Apr 2014 #348

I had thought that "whitesplaining" was exaggerated until I read this thread friendly_iconoclast May 2014 #366

+1000 gollygee May 2014 #370