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In reply to the discussion: CIA Torture Report Leaked - NOW WE KNOW WHAT'S BEING DONE IN OUR NAME - By Charles P. Pierce [View all]grasswire
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Roger H Werner · Top Commenter · President at Asi
Jesus H C! We've been here before. Many times. For those of you not old enough to recall, we had the U-2 denial. In the 1970s we had the the MKUltra Nightmare. Then the denials about assassinations and government destabilization programs. How many times I it going to take before our Congress, the so called house of the people, recognizes that entities created by a 1948 law don't believe they are answerable to anyone. Why is this story shocking or even surprising? It isn't. Anyone with anything more substantial than a pea brain and a memory longer than the last episode of the hottest reality TV program recognizes that NSA and CIA lie. They are organizations that lie routinely. In fact, lying has become so routine that it's no longer considered a factor in their decision-making process. It's time to terminate both of these organizations. If Congress had any cahones at all (*laughs*), they would call Bush, Cheney, and the rest of the scumbags that led us into our present nightmare are turn them into eunuchs. And when we're finished with our legal process anyone that violated international law should be sent to The World Court to be tried as war criminals. Until we are willing to apply the standards we are so willing to apply to other to our own people, then we stand for nothing. The US isn't qualified to be the world's policeman, we aren't qualified to monitor elections, kin fact we have no right to have a say in any matter concerning international justice because from where I'm sitting, what we're telling the world is that you have one standard of behavior but because we're Americans and everyone knows we're the good guys worldwide standards can't be applied to us. This demonstrable bullpucky. It's time our agencies be held accountable unless we wish to consider them as little better then the KGB or the Gestapo. As a culture and society, we've become experts at denial and we've been in denial for decades. We used the Commies as the boogieman to justify the awful things done before 1990. But then the Commies were gone. And not long after the Commies were dead then the perfect enemy appeared; an enemy that we can never kill, an enemy that we can construe to be everywhere at once. The result? What we're hearing about folks is the tip of the iceberg. Make no mistake, I don't have the slightest doubt that this pack of scumbags would make Americans disappear to keep themselves in business. We need spy agencies to be sure but they are agencies that don't have a long history of rogue behavior led by individuals who truly believe that they know what's best for us and that the democratic process is a hindrance to spying. I say end these agencies and start fresh.
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Kirk Fields · Follow · Top Commenter · San Antonio, Texas
Bush lied. Cheney lied. Rumsfeld lied. Hayden lied.Gonzalez lied. They all lied because they were committing war crimes, violations of International Treaties, and acts of barbarism that the United States has executed people for doing. They believed that in glorious victory it would be forgotten. They lied to all of us for the same reason other criminals lie, the guilt and fear of punishment. They tortured innocent people to death and now they hope and pray there is no God to have seen it
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