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kpete

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Fri Apr 11, 2014, 09:18 PM Apr 2014

CIA Torture Report Leaked - NOW WE KNOW WHAT'S BEING DONE IN OUR NAME - By Charles P. Pierce [View all]

We finally have been favored with the most inevitable leak in the history of the republic. Somebody's sent the Senate committee's report on the CIA's torture program, and its description of what was done in our name, out into the world. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/04/11/224085/cias-use-of-harsh-interrogation.html This will light a fire under some asses in the Executive branch, I'm thinking. It ought to get people thrown in jail. (h/t to Martin Longman for the PDF.)
(HERE WE GO FOLKS):
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1109052-senate-intelligence-report-list-of-cia-findings.html#storylink=relast

Some of the report's other conclusions, which were obtained by McClatchy, include: the CIA used interrogation methods that weren't approved by the Justice Department or CIA headquarters; the agency impeded effective White House oversight and decision-making regarding the program; the CIA actively evaded or impeded congressional oversight of the program; the agency hindered oversight of the program by its own Inspector General's Office.


It is further evidence that nothing said by the heroes of our all-too-human, but curiously error-prone surveillance state about their activities can be trusted. Nothing. Ever. They lie for a living because their mission is a messianic one. They are contemptuous of democratic institutions, democratic norms, and any democratic spirit abroad in the people who pay their salaries and in whose name they carried out their crimes. If that skepticism is the most lasting result, that will be a good thing.

The investigation determined that the program produced very little intelligence of value and that the CIA misled the Bush White House, the Congress and the public about the effectiveness of the interrogation techniques, committee members have said. The techniques included waterboarding, which produces a sensation of drowning, stress positions, sleep deprivation for up to 11 days at a time, confinement in a cramped box, slaps and slamming detainees into walls. The CIA held detainees in secret "black site" prisons overseas and abducted others who it turned over to foreign governments for interrogation.


There is no question that these are crimes. There is no question that there are crimes that grew from the crimes. There is a severe test for the rule of law here, just as there was after the Bay of Pigs, and after the Church Committee hearings. Of course, Senator Dianne Feinstein, who had a couple of weeks in which she didn't seem to be entirely in the tank for the spooks, knows where the real problem with the leak lies.

Asked to comment on the findings, CIA spokesman Dean Boyd said: "Given the report remains classified, we are unable to comment. As we have stated previously, the CIA, in consultation with other agencies, will carry out an expeditious classification review of those portions of the final SSCI report submitted to the executive branch for review." Senate Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein also declined to comment except to say: "If someone distributed any part of this classified report, they broke the law and should be prosecuted."


This is the debate that started with Edward Snowden, International Man Of Luggage. It's far beyond him now. What is more important -- for the government to keep its secrets or for the people to know what they need to know to govern themselves, and , about what was done in their name, and who makes the decision about where the "balance" lies. It cannot lie with the people who committed the crimes, not in this democracy.


MORE:
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/cia-torture-report-leak-041114?click=feed
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This is precisely why America is too corrupt to join the ICC. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #1
To rejoin actually. War criminal Bush 'unsigned' us from the ICC shortly after being selected. nt Mnemosyne Apr 2014 #13
^ Wilms Apr 2014 #2
''The CIA misled the Bush White House…'' Sounds plausible. Let's ask Karen Kwiatkowski. Octafish Apr 2014 #3
he would only say, “Karen, we have sources that you don't have access to." kpete Apr 2014 #5
An offer he can't refuse. Octafish Apr 2014 #18
like in Syria! MisterP Apr 2014 #19
That entire situation Aerows Apr 2014 #29
why aren't there a thousand recs for this? grasswire Apr 2014 #4
Cats. Cats with opposable thumbs. Octafish Apr 2014 #11
People need to be imprisoned to show the world we don't condone this kind of treatment Auntie Bush Apr 2014 #6
the comments over at McClatchy are hot grasswire Apr 2014 #7
thanks grasswire kpete Apr 2014 #10
Outstanding comments. Octafish Apr 2014 #12
Upsetting and tragic words to consider. truedelphi Apr 2014 #30
the document is only two pages long grasswire Apr 2014 #8
Tip of the iceberg. Autumn Apr 2014 #9
Well, that was a quick and easy read. CJCRANE Apr 2014 #22
K&R DeSwiss Apr 2014 #14
MUST. blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #15
"more than one quarter of all footnotes in the 9/11 Report refer to CIA interrogations of al-Qaida" johnnyreb Apr 2014 #16
K&R Solly Mack Apr 2014 #17
Thank you Edward Snowden grasswire Apr 2014 #20
Interesting... nt CJCRANE Apr 2014 #21
kick nt grasswire Apr 2014 #23
The leaker "broke the law and should be prosecuted"? What about tblue37 Apr 2014 #24
Torture is a diract attack on our Constitution. grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #25
Friday night news dump? librechik Apr 2014 #26
K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #27
this is probably some of what's left after the redacting--that part is librechik Apr 2014 #28
Shame on the leaker! Aerows Apr 2014 #31
CIA front companies and other black money support torture Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #32
K and R. I am so beyond outrage that I'm surprised any of it got leaked. bbgrunt Apr 2014 #33
''Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants.'' -- Justice Louis D. Brandeis Octafish Apr 2014 #34
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