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AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
67. I'm sorry, but this study was obviously terribly flawed.
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 09:31 PM
Apr 2014

BTW, I do realize that some people really do have this kind of problem. But this is hardly a "feature of human evolution", asthey claim, and highly flawed "studies" such as this really don't do anything useful and very often end up as nothing but exercises in rather extreme confirmation bias.

Here's one of the interesting responses:

ASterling Sep 18, 2013

Who went to the original "study"? (I realize I read the Nyhan "material" now and two "scientists" or more are being cited). I still can't find the graphs that people were shown to test whether or not they could do math if they watched Fox News.

Here's some "facts" ...

"Political Science" isn't science. A law school professor, a health science "policy researcher" and a government professor are not qualified to carry out neuroscience experiments. Nyhan, who I've seen quoted by the author of this article and others before, selects out any/all participants in any of his studies who might perform differently than his pre-desired expectations. That behavior fits the exact description of the lead of this article. Actual scientists refer to this as "experimenter's bias." It actually goes beyond "experimenter's bias" because the group is pre-selected and so-called "experiment" designed to produce the result envisioned in advance. The so-called "experimenter" continued to eliminate groups of individuals participating until he (I am deliberately using the male pronoun) got down to groups that fit his pre-selected criteria (in Nystrom's case, "strong Republicans&quot

As to the "math" - these people were using graphs. A graph is automatically removed from primary data and can easily be manipulated to present deceptive visual data.

http://www.physics.csbsju.edu/stats/display.html

Nearly all of the discussion I find on the internet about "lying with graphs" comes from political science disciplines. I found an entire article seeking to rectify disparate charts, some of which showed trends about which the author was concerned (income disparity) with others showing information conflicting with that.

http://faculty.atu.edu/mfinan/2043/section31.pdf

Since the universe of people does not equal "strong Republicans," and there's considerably more knowledge about proper experiment design, chart and graph presentation, and data analysis in, oh, just about any discipline other than poly sci, I'm thinking this article is more evidence that Salon is like Vanity Fair, only without the good gossip, good writers like Hitch and no sexy pictures. It's a fapping fest for people to hate on "strong Republicans."


Of course, I don't find myself 100% agreeing with this person but he does seem to have a point. It definitely seems like these results were skewed to produce a specific result.

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I came to this conclusion about a year ago. This when I realized it's pretty pointless. Katashi_itto Apr 2014 #1
Evolutionary leaps have happened in the past though - el_bryanto Apr 2014 #2
An evolutionary leap, in a positive direction of course, would be the only thing that might save us. MoonRiver Apr 2014 #3
The leap would only be complete following randr Apr 2014 #4
Not necessarily - other animals can adapt as well - cockroachs for example will do just fine el_bryanto Apr 2014 #5
Yes, we're preparing the world caseymoz Apr 2014 #6
perhaps we need to learn to eat them before they eat us dembotoz Apr 2014 #8
Some cultures around the world already do nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #36
Yes, cockroaches will do just fine. A few other hardy species as well. MoonRiver Apr 2014 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #25
And those people we nail to trees, alas. n/t Orsino Apr 2014 #86
Hmm, that means a violation of how evolution works nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #34
Apocalyptic disaster doesn't mean end of our species Silent3 Apr 2014 #9
Humans are the only species that seves zero purpose to the cycle of life on Earth. NM_Birder Apr 2014 #11
"Humans are the only species that seves zero purpose to the cycle of life on Earth." NCTraveler Apr 2014 #12
unless you have a bible, then the entire earth was created FOR humans. NM_Birder Apr 2014 #13
"unless you have a bible, then the entire earth was created FOR humans." NCTraveler Apr 2014 #14
My own personal hand puppet, I'm honored. NM_Birder Apr 2014 #19
Yes. including the animals. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #76
Channeling Prosense are ya? bahrbearian Apr 2014 #23
Don't think I have ever done an emoticon. Maybe I have, just don't remember. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #30
I'm laughting at YOU bahrbearian Apr 2014 #39
That's sweet. Always happy when I can make someone smile. Have a great day. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #47
"Mission Accomplished" ! LOL NM_Birder Apr 2014 #50
Bush sucks. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #51
Swing and a miss, .... sometimes one strike is an out. NM_Birder Apr 2014 #52
No, I'm not good at this. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #53
read the rest of the conversation below, NM_Birder Apr 2014 #54
"Humans are the only species that seves zero purpose to the cycle of life on Earth." NCTraveler Apr 2014 #55
response was pretty much what I expected, NM_Birder Apr 2014 #56
"but hoped you had an opinion" NCTraveler Apr 2014 #57
Show how this statement is false AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #79
Define "purpose" Silent3 Apr 2014 #15
Ok,...what "benefit" do humans offer the earth ? NM_Birder Apr 2014 #18
What "benefit" do dogs offer the Earth? jeff47 Apr 2014 #21
Before humans cross bred dogs for specific reasons and purposes, NM_Birder Apr 2014 #27
Their niche was not at all empty. jeff47 Apr 2014 #32
By your rationale, then to hell with other life species, we will determine what is "natural". NM_Birder Apr 2014 #35
No, that's your mischaracterization. jeff47 Apr 2014 #37
Like I said, NM_Birder Apr 2014 #41
Ah yes, keep beating the strawman. jeff47 Apr 2014 #43
I would be better off in the Galopagos, NM_Birder Apr 2014 #44
You would be better off learning to read. jeff47 Apr 2014 #45
Dazzle me with what you consider my "lie". NM_Birder Apr 2014 #49
Dogs owe significant parts of their morphology to human intervention. Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #28
You can't separate concepts like "benefit" or "purpose" from your human perspective. Silent3 Apr 2014 #72
+1000 Very well put! n/t EX500rider Apr 2014 #82
I understand what you're saying, pipi_k Apr 2014 #26
see my post #27 above. NM_Birder Apr 2014 #31
Yep... pipi_k Apr 2014 #48
As George Carlin once said, rrneck Apr 2014 #40
We are parasites PasadenaTrudy Apr 2014 #85
That's the outcome I hope for. caseymoz Apr 2014 #59
Humans only need technology and "food distribution systems" to live in large numbers... Silent3 Apr 2014 #70
I don't think extinction is preordained. caseymoz Apr 2014 #65
For once I am glad I am lousy at math. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2014 #10
The cockroaches will rule this world workinclasszero Apr 2014 #16
Common sense trumps numbers every time MO_Moderate Apr 2014 #17
You win. GeorgeGist Apr 2014 #22
No, reality will trump numbers. caseymoz Apr 2014 #68
I have a friend who is pretty good at advanced math, deutsey Apr 2014 #20
Politics is a nasty drug whatchamacallit Apr 2014 #24
Humans will not go extinct. jeff47 Apr 2014 #29
You greatly underestimate the possibilities and the risks. BillZBubb Apr 2014 #58
Gamma ray burst? caseymoz Apr 2014 #63
The Earth rotates. BillZBubb Apr 2014 #87
They do? So, it's not exactly a flash? caseymoz Apr 2014 #89
There is no star close enough to us to cause a deadly gamma ray burst. jeff47 Apr 2014 #81
None that we know of right now... BillZBubb Apr 2014 #88
I think you lack imagination. caseymoz Apr 2014 #64
Again, it is not ubiquity. It's adaptability. jeff47 Apr 2014 #80
Uh, no, humans can't live in every habitat. caseymoz Apr 2014 #83
Yes, we can. That doesn't mean we have. jeff47 Apr 2014 #84
Don't bother? Sounds like sour grapes. caseymoz Apr 2014 #90
Sour grapes is coming back 11 days later to reply. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2014 #91
If you are an American Indian you already knew this. L0oniX Apr 2014 #33
Evolution has no direction. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #38
Yes it does. caseymoz Apr 2014 #60
May just prove that in the long run, intelligence is not a survival trait. hobbit709 Apr 2014 #42
Yes, if there's anybody left to prove it to. caseymoz Apr 2014 #61
An estimated 99% of species have gone extinct -- why would humans be different? FarCenter Apr 2014 #46
Up till now there was a reason. caseymoz Apr 2014 #62
Extreme political passion is just as bad as religious fundamentalism. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #66
I'm sorry, but this study was obviously terribly flawed. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #67
I can't think of a reason caseymoz Apr 2014 #69
Wipe Republicans out at the polls for about three elections. gulliver Apr 2014 #71
Nice... That was an interesting response. TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2014 #74
Consider that it might be an objective fact. gulliver Apr 2014 #75
Just yesterday I read an article predicting human extinction within 35 years. Orrex Apr 2014 #73
Darwin's theory doesn't have a built in guarantee for long term human survival. GoneFishin Apr 2014 #77
your title is your thoughts on the article and has really very little to do with the content ... MindMover Apr 2014 #78
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