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jeff47

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32. Their niche was not at all empty.

Reply to NM_Birder (Reply #27)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:09 AM

Apr 2014

There's plenty of other predators for that niche. For example, any of the large cats would fit nicely.

Humans started out as prey, food, or just barely more than large ground squirrels

So did dogs. And all other mammals. Yet this is apparently only a problem in your mind for humans.

-or- do you believe that the earth is a resource for the use of humans ? To do with as we please, alter as we see fit, destroy because we have ability ?

Yes, there's only two possible choices. 1) Incinerate everything or 2) slaughter humanity.

The only purpose for creature on Earth is to reproduce. Doesn't matter if you're talking about humans or dogs. Or snails. Or algae. Or bacteria. Each of those has a different strategy to achieve their reproduction, but that's all they are really going for.

"Natural" is not necessarily the pinnacle of good. "Natural" is just the result of chance played out over a very long time. Attaching nobility to "natural", as you do here, is an artificial construct. Just like attaching nobility to "job creators" or anything else - nobility itself is an artificial construct.

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Confirmed by science: our species is doomed. [View all] caseymoz Apr 2014 OP

I came to this conclusion about a year ago. This when I realized it's pretty pointless. Katashi_itto Apr 2014 #1

Evolutionary leaps have happened in the past though - el_bryanto Apr 2014 #2

An evolutionary leap, in a positive direction of course, would be the only thing that might save us. MoonRiver Apr 2014 #3

The leap would only be complete following randr Apr 2014 #4

Not necessarily - other animals can adapt as well - cockroachs for example will do just fine el_bryanto Apr 2014 #5

Yes, we're preparing the world caseymoz Apr 2014 #6

perhaps we need to learn to eat them before they eat us dembotoz Apr 2014 #8

Some cultures around the world already do nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #36

Yes, cockroaches will do just fine. A few other hardy species as well. MoonRiver Apr 2014 #7

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #25

And those people we nail to trees, alas. n/t Orsino Apr 2014 #86

Hmm, that means a violation of how evolution works nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #34

Apocalyptic disaster doesn't mean end of our species Silent3 Apr 2014 #9

Humans are the only species that seves zero purpose to the cycle of life on Earth. NM_Birder Apr 2014 #11

"Humans are the only species that seves zero purpose to the cycle of life on Earth." NCTraveler Apr 2014 #12

unless you have a bible, then the entire earth was created FOR humans. NM_Birder Apr 2014 #13

"unless you have a bible, then the entire earth was created FOR humans." NCTraveler Apr 2014 #14

My own personal hand puppet, I'm honored. NM_Birder Apr 2014 #19

Yes. including the animals. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #76

Channeling Prosense are ya? bahrbearian Apr 2014 #23

Don't think I have ever done an emoticon. Maybe I have, just don't remember. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #30

I'm laughting at YOU bahrbearian Apr 2014 #39

That's sweet. Always happy when I can make someone smile. Have a great day. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #47

"Mission Accomplished" ! LOL NM_Birder Apr 2014 #50

Bush sucks. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #51

Swing and a miss, .... sometimes one strike is an out. NM_Birder Apr 2014 #52

No, I'm not good at this. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #53

read the rest of the conversation below, NM_Birder Apr 2014 #54

"Humans are the only species that seves zero purpose to the cycle of life on Earth." NCTraveler Apr 2014 #55

response was pretty much what I expected, NM_Birder Apr 2014 #56

"but hoped you had an opinion" NCTraveler Apr 2014 #57

Show how this statement is false AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #79

Define "purpose" Silent3 Apr 2014 #15

Ok,...what "benefit" do humans offer the earth ? NM_Birder Apr 2014 #18

What "benefit" do dogs offer the Earth? jeff47 Apr 2014 #21

Before humans cross bred dogs for specific reasons and purposes, NM_Birder Apr 2014 #27

Their niche was not at all empty. jeff47 Apr 2014 #32

By your rationale, then to hell with other life species, we will determine what is "natural". NM_Birder Apr 2014 #35

No, that's your mischaracterization. jeff47 Apr 2014 #37

Like I said, NM_Birder Apr 2014 #41

Ah yes, keep beating the strawman. jeff47 Apr 2014 #43

I would be better off in the Galopagos, NM_Birder Apr 2014 #44

You would be better off learning to read. jeff47 Apr 2014 #45

Dazzle me with what you consider my "lie". NM_Birder Apr 2014 #49

Dogs owe significant parts of their morphology to human intervention. Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #28

You can't separate concepts like "benefit" or "purpose" from your human perspective. Silent3 Apr 2014 #72

+1000 Very well put! n/t EX500rider Apr 2014 #82

I understand what you're saying, pipi_k Apr 2014 #26

see my post #27 above. NM_Birder Apr 2014 #31

Yep... pipi_k Apr 2014 #48

As George Carlin once said, rrneck Apr 2014 #40

We are parasites PasadenaTrudy Apr 2014 #85

That's the outcome I hope for. caseymoz Apr 2014 #59

Humans only need technology and "food distribution systems" to live in large numbers... Silent3 Apr 2014 #70

I don't think extinction is preordained. caseymoz Apr 2014 #65

For once I am glad I am lousy at math. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2014 #10

The cockroaches will rule this world workinclasszero Apr 2014 #16

Common sense trumps numbers every time MO_Moderate Apr 2014 #17

You win. GeorgeGist Apr 2014 #22

No, reality will trump numbers. caseymoz Apr 2014 #68

I have a friend who is pretty good at advanced math, deutsey Apr 2014 #20

Politics is a nasty drug whatchamacallit Apr 2014 #24

Humans will not go extinct. jeff47 Apr 2014 #29

You greatly underestimate the possibilities and the risks. BillZBubb Apr 2014 #58

Gamma ray burst? caseymoz Apr 2014 #63

The Earth rotates. BillZBubb Apr 2014 #87

They do? So, it's not exactly a flash? caseymoz Apr 2014 #89

There is no star close enough to us to cause a deadly gamma ray burst. jeff47 Apr 2014 #81

None that we know of right now... BillZBubb Apr 2014 #88

I think you lack imagination. caseymoz Apr 2014 #64

Again, it is not ubiquity. It's adaptability. jeff47 Apr 2014 #80

Uh, no, humans can't live in every habitat. caseymoz Apr 2014 #83

Yes, we can. That doesn't mean we have. jeff47 Apr 2014 #84

Don't bother? Sounds like sour grapes. caseymoz Apr 2014 #90

Sour grapes is coming back 11 days later to reply. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2014 #91

If you are an American Indian you already knew this. L0oniX Apr 2014 #33

Evolution has no direction. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #38

Yes it does. caseymoz Apr 2014 #60

May just prove that in the long run, intelligence is not a survival trait. hobbit709 Apr 2014 #42

Yes, if there's anybody left to prove it to. caseymoz Apr 2014 #61

An estimated 99% of species have gone extinct -- why would humans be different? FarCenter Apr 2014 #46

Up till now there was a reason. caseymoz Apr 2014 #62

Extreme political passion is just as bad as religious fundamentalism. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #66

I'm sorry, but this study was obviously terribly flawed. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #67

I can't think of a reason caseymoz Apr 2014 #69

Wipe Republicans out at the polls for about three elections. gulliver Apr 2014 #71

Nice... That was an interesting response. TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2014 #74

Consider that it might be an objective fact. gulliver Apr 2014 #75

Just yesterday I read an article predicting human extinction within 35 years. Orrex Apr 2014 #73

Darwin's theory doesn't have a built in guarantee for long term human survival. GoneFishin Apr 2014 #77

your title is your thoughts on the article and has really very little to do with the content ... MindMover Apr 2014 #78