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MattSh

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112. Oooh, another skeptic.

Mon Mar 17, 2014, 01:41 PM

Mar 2014

Maybe one of these will convince you?

Or maybe you don't care and neither should I.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024590401

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024590404

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024590408

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024590417

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My view as a resident of Kiev Ukraine - 3/17 edition [View all] MattSh Mar 2014 OP

As our Man In Havana as it were dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #1

Cool to see a report from the ground over there. I'm sure someone will be right along to correct you quinnox Mar 2014 #2

Yep, the view is always best from 5000 miles away. MattSh Mar 2014 #39

Which is probably where you are... joeybee12 Mar 2014 #47

Oooh, another skeptic. MattSh Mar 2014 #112

Yea, real funny. Not. levp Mar 2014 #93

Believe what you want. MattSh Mar 2014 #116

I found their statement in less than a minute levp Mar 2014 #128

What a sick rationale... JackRiddler May 2014 #193

It is a common practice... levp May 2014 #194

That was about money. JackRiddler May 2014 #195

That's why they went an extra mile... levp May 2014 #196

You've got to be kidding. JackRiddler May 2014 #197

They didn't... levp May 2014 #198

Yeah yeah, I get it. JackRiddler May 2014 #199

You totally called it. JVS Mar 2014 #159

thank you for your view from the front row seat... magical thyme Mar 2014 #3

I think it is a very unreliable post as the OP doesn't disclose his snagglepuss Mar 2014 #17

the OP is not ethnic Ukraine. I see you're badgering him below to reveal his ethnicity magical thyme Mar 2014 #29

Hardly baggering him. Why not disclose potential bias? The OP is snagglepuss Mar 2014 #32

I was born in the USA. MattSh Mar 2014 #42

and he answered your question. magical thyme Mar 2014 #48

My father's background was Ukrainian and Turkish. My mother's background, Welsh and French. snagglepuss Mar 2014 #53

thank you. that reveals your potential bias. magical thyme Mar 2014 #56

If I make a wildly pro-Ukrainian OP then my background ought to be snagglepuss Mar 2014 #67

The entire media is making wildly Pro-nationalist Ukrainian Ops. newthinking Mar 2014 #167

There is no equivalency. The furor of posts supporting Ukraine stem snagglepuss Mar 2014 #182

Actually I was talking in general about everything going on in Ukraine newthinking Mar 2014 #183

The OP is engaging in blatant Putin apology, though. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #41

When will Ukraine allow the people to vote so they have an elected sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #71

Rt.com didn't mention that, did they? geek tragedy Mar 2014 #75

Yes, as a matter of fact, they did. Which is why I asked the question, why there is sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #107

why are they waiting two months to hold an election? geek tragedy Mar 2014 #108

Why are the making decisions that will affect Ukrainians sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #111

they are not handing the country over to the IMF. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #114

Maybe they should go after the wealthy oligarchs as Iceland did, and find some sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #123

Are you suggesting that Ukraine sit in anarchy until elections could be held? Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #115

Your question has zero to do with my comment. My question was sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #122

Actually, since they destroyed the opposition and scared the witts out of anybody who might want to newthinking Mar 2014 #170

I think Russia is going to take over Ukraine before then davidpdx Mar 2014 #177

In May of this year. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #76

May 25th, for president only. MattSh Mar 2014 #120

Iow, the unelected government will remain in power. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #131

They are the elected government. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #132

Correction, there was a coup and Yanukovitch was driven from power. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #155

The Parliament of Ukraine was elected in 2012, Progressive dog Mar 2014 #146

How did I miss that newthinking Mar 2014 #169

The Parliament didn't flee the country. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #179

No, they fled the parliment newthinking Mar 2014 #184

In May, but no way it can be fair. They destroyed the opposition parties - newthinking Mar 2014 #168

That stood out to me as well. Babel_17 Mar 2014 #175

That's not Putin apology. JackRiddler May 2014 #200

Commending Putin on "knowing his history" when he makes a land grab? Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #201

Well, you're a Putin apologist now, but thanks for the reports anyway. bemildred Mar 2014 #4

I guess you meant to say that you're anti-Putin, and not much else matters? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #5

Yeah, I should have used a sarcasm smiley, you are right. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #8

"Putin apologist" is a term perhaps thrown around too loosely by some here. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #13

Thanks for the example. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #26

No, this person was a Putin apologist back when they geek tragedy Mar 2014 #34

Ah, another example. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #37

yes, you've discovered that people will point out partisan supporters geek tragedy Mar 2014 #40

Why not just call them traitors and be done with it? nt bemildred Mar 2014 #46

Oh please. Noting that a source is obviously biased in favor geek tragedy Mar 2014 #52

All sources are biased. So what? That's why you read everybody. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #55

I don't. I don't read Richard Perle, don't watch rt.com or Hannity, etc. nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #63

Well I read anybody, I won't say everybody, someone would point out it's impossible. bemildred Mar 2014 #66

Where there's honest disagreement, sure I'll seek out opposing viewpoints. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #68

You can learn a lot from partisan hacks. bemildred Mar 2014 #70

in the instant case, the narrative pushed by both sides has been pretty well known for a while. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #72

I agree. The purple rhetoric is indicative of things too. bemildred Mar 2014 #78

quiet for maybe a week, but wait until the Ukrainian election campaigns geek tragedy Mar 2014 #80

It's never really quiet, I suppose. What would they do if they couldn't squabble? nt bemildred Mar 2014 #82

shoot each other nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #85

OK, I'm giving you this one. bemildred Mar 2014 #86

And, check out those who buys this crap lock stock and barrel.. But, Franklin Graham thinks Putin.. Cha Mar 2014 #162

See, now there is a REAL Putin apologist, thanks for the example. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #181

Thanks NV Whino Mar 2014 #6

Wow. Just wow. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #7

Wait, so the imperialist fascist starting a pogrom against a minority in his country NuclearDem Mar 2014 #10

Boogles the mind, eh? nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #36

No kidding. nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #101

It's a bit shocking to hear a report from someone actually over there, instead of the propaganda we quinnox Mar 2014 #12

This right here is just shilling for Putin. There's no two ways around it. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #15

Well, looks like we see this totally differently quinnox Mar 2014 #22

I just got done post another five dispatches from VICE as OP snooper2 Mar 2014 #24

I've been watching those as well davidpdx Mar 2014 #176

How do we know this person IS over there? Avalux Mar 2014 #79

Everything posted anonymously on the internet should be taken with a grain of salt. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #89

There are people who believe this stuff. This poster also was part of the geek tragedy Mar 2014 #19

Interesting. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #28

here's his reaction to protests against Russia's state-sanctioned bigotry: geek tragedy Mar 2014 #30

Jeez a whiz. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #31

The difference between he and you appears to be... go west young man Mar 2014 #140

Birds of a feather. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #141

Amazing you can't see yourself. go west young man Mar 2014 #147

Hey, a video without a transphobic word in the title. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #154

Trans...that's a new one for you. go west young man Mar 2014 #157

You calling the LGBT community unwilling tools of the MIC is good enough for me. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #158

Those hides came in one thread after 10 years of activity by me on Democratic Underground. go west young man Mar 2014 #163

Yeah, you're the victim here. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #164

Oh the old reverse persecution complex reversal..... go west young man Mar 2014 #165

Dude, were you not reading the part of the OP's post.... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #142

b..bb..bbbbuutttt, he disagrees with me. So he must be a sock puppet!!! newthinking Mar 2014 #171

Putin is so fucking Wonderful. Who needs RT when the Putin Propaganda is right here on DU? Cha Mar 2014 #161

Joe McCarthy is a dead piece of shit. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #180

Thanks for your post malaise Mar 2014 #9

Are you an ethnic Russian or Ukrainian? snagglepuss Mar 2014 #11

Neither... MattSh Mar 2014 #16

Why the secrecy? Why not reveal basic personal information? snagglepuss Mar 2014 #21

See above... MattSh Mar 2014 #62

then why did you refuse to criticize Russia's gay propaganda law? geek tragedy Mar 2014 #23

My, what a completely unbiased post. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2014 #14

Thanks for reminding us that Yanukovych and Putin still have admirers in Ukraine. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #18

The reason Putin has admirers in Ukraine is that Russians during the snagglepuss Mar 2014 #25

That's pretty much it. nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #97

You appear to be pro-Russia ProSense Mar 2014 #20

Yeah, Berkut. Those are the guys you *really* want running the show for Ukraine's security. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #35

sigh. your bias is so strong and you include such weak examples that cali Mar 2014 #27

Hi Matt, go west young man Mar 2014 #33

This seems to be a fairly complete list... MattSh Mar 2014 #60

Nice. Anti-gay Putin shill pats anti-gay Putin shill on the back. HERVEPA Mar 2014 #117

I was never anti gay. go west young man Mar 2014 #144

I'm putting the OP on full ignore. stg81 Mar 2014 #38

Well, gee, thanks for the announcement quinnox Mar 2014 #43

Cool MattSh Mar 2014 #45

I'm putting you on full ignore. And when they invent a triple ignore, I'll put you on that! JVS Mar 2014 #106

Well, my friends in Dnipro, a very pro-Russian area, want to leave if Russia joeybee12 Mar 2014 #44

Russia is overplaying its hand when it comes to Eastern Ukraine. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #50

Oooh, the skeptic. MattSh Mar 2014 #90

It doesn't explain the blatant Putin apology. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #92

I sympathize with your situation randr Mar 2014 #49

Well thank you for posting this. zeemike Mar 2014 #51

Well, when you actually defend Putin's military actions... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #54

And likewise I could say zeemike Mar 2014 #59

First, that presumes what happened.... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #65

Telling the other side is not "excuse Putin's actions " zeemike Mar 2014 #94

Crimea isn't Russia's only warm water port. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #109

That OP is from someone that lives there. zeemike Mar 2014 #127

And I have relatives who live there and who are actually Ukrainian. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #136

I appreciate your report and hope you will continue to keep us posted snappyturtle Mar 2014 #57

Recommend...interesting read.. KoKo Mar 2014 #58

Interesting. Thanks for posting. n/t Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #61

Thanks, good report. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #64

Thank you. Interesting. 840high Mar 2014 #69

Thank you for your post as I struggle to understand this situation. mountain grammy Mar 2014 #73

The best way I can explain it would be this. MattSh Mar 2014 #125

Thank you. mountain grammy Mar 2014 #145

DUers: In reading this post, do yourself a favor. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #74

This highlights the difference between anecdote and data gathered through scientific polls and other stevenleser Mar 2014 #96

Well said. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #113

Your right. go west young man Mar 2014 #149

Oh noes! You caused the authoritarians to have a sadz! Rex Mar 2014 #77

LOL! Yeah, supporting Putin is a sign of being anti-authoritarian, right? ProSense Mar 2014 #83

That was priceless. stevenleser Mar 2014 #98

LOL is right. That post was one of the weirdest things I have ever read here at DU... Hekate Mar 2014 #185

You keep using that word. stevenleser Mar 2014 #99

damn you beat me to it. !!!!!!nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #102

That person's response begged for that video. stevenleser Mar 2014 #119

Haha, being against fascist Putin = authoritarian! joshcryer Mar 2014 #133

Putin is an anti-fascist? blackspade Mar 2014 #137

Hmm, I see how that reads. joshcryer Mar 2014 #138

I may have mis-read your original post. blackspade Mar 2014 #139

interesting...and clearly lop sided Sheepshank Mar 2014 #81

this is reminding me of 1956 Hungary grasswire Mar 2014 #100

A couple of questions/comments... blackspade Mar 2014 #84

Some answers... MattSh Mar 2014 #103

Thanks for the replies. blackspade Mar 2014 #134

Whenever an international crisis gets hot nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #87

Thanks for giving us your perspective Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #88

It's about oil & austerity, IMHO. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #91

What is your opinion of the plight of LGBT's in Russia? totodeinhere Mar 2014 #95

It's so authoritarian of you to say so... stevenleser Mar 2014 #104

I'd be more concerned about Svoboda in Ukraine than Putin in Russia. MattSh Mar 2014 #110

Being more concerned about a group that MIGHT enact anti-gay laws vs one that ALREADY HAS is an stevenleser Mar 2014 #121

+1000! William769 Mar 2014 #126

Good point. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #129

Yea right... We have heard all about how the far right and neo-nazis in Ukraine are "kinder-gentler" newthinking Mar 2014 #186

See my #188 below. I am not buying it. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #189

So Svoboda is bad because they MIGHT enact homophobic laws NuclearDem Mar 2014 #130

LOL Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #166

Yes, they are "kinder-gentler" Neo-Nazi's. What a load of horseshit newthinking Mar 2014 #187

LGBT rights are clearly a game to you. You dont want to hold to account the country that has already stevenleser Mar 2014 #188

I am not the one politicizing rights newthinking Mar 2014 #192

So the potential for codified homophobia in Ukraine NuclearDem Mar 2014 #190

How dare you sit there in Kiev and contradict the American armchair activists LittleBlue Mar 2014 #105

Fucking Putlerite! JVS Mar 2014 #135

Interesting points of view. fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #118

well, i just sold a straight razor to a guy in ukraine. we have been chatting since i emailed him pansypoo53219 Mar 2014 #124

Yes, there are multiple viewpoints. But a single viewpoint is getting most of the coverage in msm newthinking Mar 2014 #174

Thank you for the propaganda LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #143

Tere! NervousRex Mar 2014 #148

Tere tagasi! LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #156

And, look at all those who are lapping Cha Mar 2014 #172

Is Pootie-Poot gonna take east Ukraine? n/t moondust Mar 2014 #150

Thanks for the update, MattSh Demeter Mar 2014 #151

Demographics? wercal Mar 2014 #152

Thanks Matt... WillyT Mar 2014 #153

Would you be ok if Ukraine declared itself neutral like Switzerland? bluestate10 Mar 2014 #160

The truthiness brigade doesn't like this one bit. Union Scribe Mar 2014 #173

And what of actual Ukrainians living in Ukraine, who unlike the OP... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #178

kick woo me with science Mar 2014 #191