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In reply to the discussion: My view as a resident of Kiev Ukraine - 3/17 edition [View all]blackspade
(10,056 posts)84. A couple of questions/comments...
So you say that cable and other services are running fine?
It sounds like the Russian stations were just moved to a new tier of service.
Common here in the US as well. I have to pay extra for Spanish/Latin TV.
This does not sound like a real issue, rather one that is being lumped into an overall narrative in order to make it more legit.
Why would folks living in Ukraine be 'pro-Russian'? You set your narrative up as a pro-Russian/pro-Ukrainian dichotomy. Why is that? You live in Ukraine, I assume you are a Ukrainian citizen, so why would you be 'pro-Russian'? The Maiden 'revolution' involves Ukrainians, correct? Why do you see yourself as not being part of Ukraine? This statement is really confusing:
Now there is no doubt a strong pro-Ukrainian thing going on here too; first because of Ukrainianization policies since independence, and second, there's a whole lot more opportunity in Kiev than in the west of Ukraine, so there's a good number of west Ukrainians here.
Why would there not be a pro-Ukrainian thing going on in....Ukraine? And Ukrainianization policies? What are those? You do realize you live in the nation of Ukraine? And I thought western Ukraine were largely ethnic Russians? Are you saying that ethnic Ukrainians from western Ukraine are having to leave? Or are they ethnic Russians?
Are you trying to say that there is only western propaganda? Assuming that you are watching Russian TV doesn't that seem ironic, given that the Russian government has shut down or 'restructured' liberal anti-imperialist media outlets in Russia?
And the family anecdote? Maybe your wife's friend is genuinely concerned about your anti-Ukrainian stance? Maybe your father-in-law is a Ukrainian nationalist the whole time, but didn't feel compelled to speak out until Russian provocateurs and a Russian invasion caused him to step up and speak out? Your blaming it on his girlfriend? Really?
And how is an invasion and annexation of a good portion of Ukraine a 'godsend'? You do realize that your nation just lost people, prime agricultural land, infrastructure, and it's main fleet anchorage? How does that make Ukraine more stable and better off? And what are you talking about in your WWII reference? Are you saying that Stalin waited too long to invade Germany? That he should have just invaded Germany and Poland? I don't think that you understand the prewar geopolitical situation very well. How has Putin learned from this? What was the lesson? Are you insinuating the Ukraine will invade Russia?
And these Right Sector thugs? These guys are just a bunch of criminals that need to be arrested. Where are the police? Can they not function without the Berkut riot police thugs to back them up? I agree that these guys are a problem that needs to be stamped out.
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Cool to see a report from the ground over there. I'm sure someone will be right along to correct you
quinnox
Mar 2014
#2
the OP is not ethnic Ukraine. I see you're badgering him below to reveal his ethnicity
magical thyme
Mar 2014
#29
My father's background was Ukrainian and Turkish. My mother's background, Welsh and French.
snagglepuss
Mar 2014
#53
Yes, as a matter of fact, they did. Which is why I asked the question, why there is
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#107
Maybe they should go after the wealthy oligarchs as Iceland did, and find some
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#123
Are you suggesting that Ukraine sit in anarchy until elections could be held?
Tommy_Carcetti
Mar 2014
#115
Actually, since they destroyed the opposition and scared the witts out of anybody who might want to
newthinking
Mar 2014
#170
In May, but no way it can be fair. They destroyed the opposition parties -
newthinking
Mar 2014
#168
I guess you meant to say that you're anti-Putin, and not much else matters? nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#5
"Putin apologist" is a term perhaps thrown around too loosely by some here.
Tommy_Carcetti
Mar 2014
#13
I don't. I don't read Richard Perle, don't watch rt.com or Hannity, etc. nt
geek tragedy
Mar 2014
#63
Well I read anybody, I won't say everybody, someone would point out it's impossible.
bemildred
Mar 2014
#66
Where there's honest disagreement, sure I'll seek out opposing viewpoints.
geek tragedy
Mar 2014
#68
in the instant case, the narrative pushed by both sides has been pretty well known for a while.
geek tragedy
Mar 2014
#72
It's never really quiet, I suppose. What would they do if they couldn't squabble? nt
bemildred
Mar 2014
#82
And, check out those who buys this crap lock stock and barrel.. But, Franklin Graham thinks Putin..
Cha
Mar 2014
#162
Wait, so the imperialist fascist starting a pogrom against a minority in his country
NuclearDem
Mar 2014
#10
It's a bit shocking to hear a report from someone actually over there, instead of the propaganda we
quinnox
Mar 2014
#12
This right here is just shilling for Putin. There's no two ways around it.
Tommy_Carcetti
Mar 2014
#15
Everything posted anonymously on the internet should be taken with a grain of salt.
Tommy_Carcetti
Mar 2014
#89
here's his reaction to protests against Russia's state-sanctioned bigotry:
geek tragedy
Mar 2014
#30
You calling the LGBT community unwilling tools of the MIC is good enough for me.
NuclearDem
Mar 2014
#158
Those hides came in one thread after 10 years of activity by me on Democratic Underground.
go west young man
Mar 2014
#163
Putin is so fucking Wonderful. Who needs RT when the Putin Propaganda is right here on DU?
Cha
Mar 2014
#161
Thanks for reminding us that Yanukovych and Putin still have admirers in Ukraine.
geek tragedy
Mar 2014
#18
Yeah, Berkut. Those are the guys you *really* want running the show for Ukraine's security.
Tommy_Carcetti
Mar 2014
#35
I'm putting you on full ignore. And when they invent a triple ignore, I'll put you on that!
JVS
Mar 2014
#106
This highlights the difference between anecdote and data gathered through scientific polls and other
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#96
LOL is right. That post was one of the weirdest things I have ever read here at DU...
Hekate
Mar 2014
#185
Being more concerned about a group that MIGHT enact anti-gay laws vs one that ALREADY HAS is an
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#121
Yea right... We have heard all about how the far right and neo-nazis in Ukraine are "kinder-gentler"
newthinking
Mar 2014
#186
LGBT rights are clearly a game to you. You dont want to hold to account the country that has already
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#188
How dare you sit there in Kiev and contradict the American armchair activists
LittleBlue
Mar 2014
#105
well, i just sold a straight razor to a guy in ukraine. we have been chatting since i emailed him
pansypoo53219
Mar 2014
#124
Yes, there are multiple viewpoints. But a single viewpoint is getting most of the coverage in msm
newthinking
Mar 2014
#174