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proudretiredvet

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70. So we are now discussing how we value a lie or many lies.

Thu Mar 6, 2014, 04:28 PM

Mar 2014

It is about the cost of the lie and not if telling lies to our nation are right or wrong.

I believe that repeatedly lying to our nation and citizens is wrong. I will not qualify or quantify wrong with a price tag.

It is a matter of honor. Telling a lie is never right because of money. Telling a lie is never right because you believe the end result is more important.

Unless it is done to protect our national security or the loss of life it is always wrong. Even then the lies should be exposed, owned, corrected, and explained as soon as the treat has passed. Honesty does count with me, every time.

It is a very clear and easy right and wrong for me. I do understand that others do not believe as I do.

What you think of me is clearly unimportant especially to me.

Have a nice day.

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Rutgers professors: We don't want Condoleezza Rice at commencement [View all] Earth_First Mar 2014 OP

Yep. No matter how you slice it, Sweetness is a war criminal. HughBeaumont Mar 2014 #1

Don't forget he stole 2 elections ; his old man helped murder santamargarita Mar 2014 #31

I direct your attention to post number 63. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #66

Oh, great. We excuse genuine lie-caused war crimes because, you know, "BOTHSIDESDOESIT"!! HughBeaumont Mar 2014 #118

Kinda-Sleezy Rice = War Criminal warrant46 Mar 2014 #90

good for them barbtries Mar 2014 #2

there is a better place for her.... mylye2222 Mar 2014 #104

Why we did it (Maddow) coldbeer Mar 2014 #110

She knowingly misled us into war daybranch Mar 2014 #3

K&R n/t Feral Child Mar 2014 #4

good. hopefully the board listens. PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #5

people like Rice NJCher Mar 2014 #6

Damn liberal colleges, they are almost as bad as that damn liberal media! Dustlawyer Mar 2014 #7

Exactly!! mountain grammy Mar 2014 #17

we're even worse Viking12 Mar 2014 #57

She should've been indicted for this quote alone: catbyte Mar 2014 #8

+1 jsr Mar 2014 #36

Yes. It was a special lie. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #74

This issue aside, shouldnt the students have a say? 1awake Mar 2014 #9

Do students get a say in what material they must study? Bandit Mar 2014 #12

Uhhh ... sure ... Lurker Deluxe Mar 2014 #14

But the students don't decide the content or emphasis in the *courses* they tblue37 Mar 2014 #18

pretty much all carrot, no stick. Lurker Deluxe Mar 2014 #22

But those points are not relevant to the issue of whether faculty should have a right to tblue37 Mar 2014 #23

not what I responded to Lurker Deluxe Mar 2014 #26

Um, speaking as a college instructor... Hissyspit Mar 2014 #95

Um, speaking as a college dropout Lurker Deluxe Mar 2014 #114

I'll let you think about that. Hissyspit Mar 2014 #119

lol... that how it was for me each time. nt 1awake Mar 2014 #20

The professors should decide. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #48

Oh, I could care less about Rice... she can go retire somewhere never to be heard from again. 1awake Mar 2014 #52

Why say it then? Why argue in favor of the rightie position? Enthusiast Mar 2014 #56

I'm arguing from the position that the students should have a say. 1awake Mar 2014 #59

I must respectfully disagree. proudretiredvet Mar 2014 #63

Respectfully won't cover your ass. You are exposed. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #64

Calm down. They're not "talking about Benghazi". They're using an example of statements cui bono Mar 2014 #68

So we are now discussing how we value a lie or many lies. proudretiredvet Mar 2014 #70

Condi Rice claimed that we could never have considered Enthusiast Mar 2014 #73

I dont know where to start. First of all it hasnt ever been proven that Susan Rice rhett o rick Mar 2014 #75

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #87

It's not often I get to debate with someone like you here. You compared the rhett o rick Mar 2014 #91

"I will not qualify or quantify wrong with a price tag" FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #77

That's like saying there's no difference between someone who killed another driver Marr Mar 2014 #80

I support your sentiments about Comment #63. LibGranny Mar 2014 #82

"You are exposed" Ewwww! rhett o rick Mar 2014 #99

Was that wrong? Enthusiast Mar 2014 #109

This is a decent message board and there should be no exposure here. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #115

Let me get this straight. Marr Mar 2014 #81

You do not get that as a given either. proudretiredvet Mar 2014 #84

Who said she started the war by herself? Marr Mar 2014 #85

Actually I got that from you. proudretiredvet Mar 2014 #88

Then you misunderstood. Marr Mar 2014 #103

Nonsense. Hissyspit Mar 2014 #96

Benghaziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii haydukelives Mar 2014 #120

Um, the Professors?? Hissyspit Mar 2014 #94

lol... then by your logic so do I, so i guess im right? nt 1awake Mar 2014 #111

Belongs in prison. She also approved of torture with Cheney on point Mar 2014 #10

Hopefully if the university goes ahead and has her speak..... llmart Mar 2014 #11

yep, let her speak heaven05 Mar 2014 #30

Was just gonna post that. closeupready Mar 2014 #34

Condoleeezza was here at the University of Arkansas last night to speak in our sinkingfeeling Mar 2014 #13

"The UofA said they would not allow in backpacks, large purses, or banners" < It strikes me that jtuck004 Mar 2014 #69

Good move, Rutgers faculty. Paladin Mar 2014 #15

This is part of the Powell Manifesto at work: the rightwing take-over of universities and their loudsue Mar 2014 #16

Right on! erronis Mar 2014 #41

Hell, erronis....they've taken over DU. loudsue Mar 2014 #46

Their sockpuppets are right here on this thread arguing in favor of Condi. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #51

Ah i remember that info from Thom Hartmann's new book The Crash of 2016 alp227 Mar 2014 #107

Wow! I didn't know about this book of his! loudsue Mar 2014 #117

Good to see the push back.. mountain grammy Mar 2014 #19

I agree with them, but let the students decide joeglow3 Mar 2014 #21

War criminals should be prosecuted, not invited to give lectures. If a country approves of their sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #24

SMH Mr Dixon Mar 2014 #25

The Bush brand must be rehabilitated. zeemike Mar 2014 #27

Karma sucks, Condie. Aristus Mar 2014 #28

Welcome another ethical faculty to the B1G. Woo hoo!! Scuba Mar 2014 #29

Good for Rutgers pacerbluedrum1949 Mar 2014 #32

I wouldn't either. She's a shameless warmonger. K&R closeupready Mar 2014 #33

Can't they take her for an afternoon? Orsino Mar 2014 #35

Good. HappyMe Mar 2014 #37

At least she'll have to stand there knowing the people she's addressing know what she is. toby jo Mar 2014 #38

Rice failed in her duties. Have the decency to GO AWAY. Why We Know Iraq Is Lying ( Editorial NYT ) Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #39

$35,000 and a honorary degree for a war criminal and waterboarding enthusiast jsr Mar 2014 #40

Rutgers rocks! nt raccoon Mar 2014 #42

Damn librul professors acting like war crimes is a big deal! Yeesh! joeybee12 Mar 2014 #43

Torture queen should ride her super tanker back to the shoe store JEB Mar 2014 #44

She is a Russia specialist from her Stanford education kimbutgar Mar 2014 #45

The graduates should boycott the graduation. merrily Mar 2014 #47

They need to stage an alternate graduation ceremony. Someone steal the diplomas. loudsue Mar 2014 #54

K&R n/t myrna minx Mar 2014 #49

A few options 12ZTR Mar 2014 #50

Actually, I hope she DOES show up and they give her a welcome like UMass gave Andy Card... NYC Liberal Mar 2014 #53

OMG - I just LOVED that!!! closeupready Mar 2014 #58

Wow, I missed that. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #65

How wonderful and beautiful gristy Mar 2014 #92

Thank you for posting this. I had never seen it. wilsonbooks Mar 2014 #108

uh...what about Stanford? ..hello? hibbing Mar 2014 #55

Cannot believe they'd consider her in the first place marions ghost Mar 2014 #60

I have only one word for Ms. Rice. raven mad Mar 2014 #61

Happy to be 100th rec n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #62

Good for my Alma Mater's faculty! LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #67

I hope MSNBC televises her speech. It will be... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #71

Not surprised in the least HockeyMom Mar 2014 #72

I'd like to know who wants her there and why. QuestForSense Mar 2014 #76

Here is her rap sheet SummerSnow Mar 2014 #78

Good for Rutgers! bigwillq Mar 2014 #79

Shame on the Board of Directors of Rutgers. What are they, obtuse? Good Luck Cha Mar 2014 #83

Hey Professors gussmith Mar 2014 #86

How dare the Rutgers University Faculty Council trash Condisleasy Rice! How could she have indepat Mar 2014 #89

Unindicted War Criminal Hissyspit Mar 2014 #93

What, they don't want killers of those possessing oil to send them on to their futures with a pot lonestarnot Mar 2014 #97

If war criminal Condi Rice get to speak on a college tour, it is only fair Dawson Leery Mar 2014 #98

Rutgers Rocks! ReRe Mar 2014 #100

Well at least the board of governors will show up for the speech ... nt MindMover Mar 2014 #101

Probably were also afraid her husband would attend. Two war criminals for the price of one.nt Mnemosyne Mar 2014 #102

???? Condi is not married. alp227 Mar 2014 #106

There was the time she gaffed and referred to him as "my husband"... JHB Mar 2014 #113

I was referring to when she accidentally called ** her husband. nt Mnemosyne Mar 2014 #116

Moral authority? Exemplary citizenship? Just ask Mike Rice, former men's basketball coach alp227 Mar 2014 #105

Chris Hedges at Rockford College--2003 yellowwoodII Mar 2014 #112