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frazzled

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25. An odd question ...
Tue Mar 4, 2014, 02:22 PM
Mar 2014

from someone who, demonstrably, and by his own admission, supported the run-up to the war and defended its early execution ... despite the fact that many of us were able to muster opposition to both the Iraq War Resolution, the UN negotiations, and the steps that led up to Shock and Awe.

We weren't getting our information from nowhere. There was Knight-Ridder's excellent reporting from Warren Strobel and Jonathan Landay, there was the Baltimore Sun's publication of Scott Ridder's arms inspection insights. And these were indeed brought up by certain hosts on MSNBC, which in addition had on "guests" such as Michael Moore or Tim Robbins or Janeane Garolfalo to spread the word. And then there were the well-publicized remarks by the UN inspector Hans Blix just before the war, which contradicted the Bush administrations claims about the existence of WMDs.

There was enough reporting and information out there that hundreds of thousands of us participated in anti-war marches before the bombs dropped. There was enough for a young state senator from Illinois named Barack Obama to give a speech to a large crowd proclaiming that while he wasn't against all wars, he was against "stupid wars," and who went on to enumerate the reasons why the invasion of Iraq was unjustified.

What's different between Iraq and Ukraine is that there were months of discussion that preceded the IWR, and months after that in which we could voice our opinions about initiating military action. For better or worse, it was debated in the UN: it was controversial well before it happened. Russia responded with immediate action and no warning after Yanukovych fled. So the media reporting is very different here: in this case, we are still trying to figure out what the facts are and to react to a sudden and ongoing situation.

So if what GG is trying to say is that he was duped by the general bad reporting of the US media (in comparison to one minor reporter on RT making one statement here, which nobody much will know about), he wasn't reading very much or watching very far. We knew: a huge number of us knew.

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And this 5 second moment will be used from now till the dawns of time snooper2 Mar 2014 #1
This "paragon" of journalism leftynyc Mar 2014 #80
His point is going to be lost on the twisty turny crowd, I think. sibelian Mar 2014 #2
Actually ProSense Mar 2014 #4
Exactly.... mimi85 Mar 2014 #33
Talk about twisty turny LiberalLovinLug Mar 2014 #46
Right On Cue! LondonReign2 Mar 2014 #68
"Very soon," indeed. nt woo me with science Mar 2014 #7
Whee! Check it out! sibelian Mar 2014 #95
7. he's also a dish-it-out-but-can't-take-it hypocrite Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #97
I'm not a fan of his AT ALL. sibelian Mar 2014 #105
K&R We don't have news and commentary. woo me with science Mar 2014 #3
"We have a propaganda machine." Unlike RT, right? ProSense Mar 2014 #5
Greenwald's having a fit over a Buzzfeed article... msanthrope Mar 2014 #27
Quite a few of those stories migrated here.... OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #30
He didn't do "everything" to slam Rachel Maddow. Hissyspit Mar 2014 #35
A hypocrite and an opportunist. ProSense Mar 2014 #43
How does praising someone critical of Russian policy equate to advancing Russian propaganda? Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #92
You're ProSense Mar 2014 #93
So you are sticking up for the corporate media. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #101
Why is this a news story? Anyone who has watched RT knows that the opinions of all kinds of people sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #6
then why does greenwald think it was brave? arely staircase Mar 2014 #14
Maybe he doesn't watch it? We'll see if he's right, but she isn't the first to question sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #17
Agree, Sabrina. KoKo Mar 2014 #16
why does greenwald think it was brave? arely staircase Mar 2014 #20
She's a lunatic leftynyc Mar 2014 #81
Unless you are a Psychiatrist...I'll ignore that comment.... KoKo Mar 2014 #91
Yes, of course there were American TV Hosts who did that cali Mar 2014 #8
Amy Goodman is the host of an internet news channel. Not TV. nt adirondacker Mar 2014 #18
I believe she was on Air America back then. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2014 #23
She appears on my TV. BainsBane Mar 2014 #62
My bad. I was unaware she was ever on TV. I always watched via the internet. adirondacker Mar 2014 #79
No, it used to be on a cable station BainsBane Mar 2014 #84
Direct TV n/t reddread Mar 2014 #85
nope. wrong. she was on TV. I watched her. cali Mar 2014 #73
My apologies. I've lived in the woods too long :/ nt adirondacker Mar 2014 #77
You mean like Donohue, like this woman, a talk show host, and Maher and Ashley Banfield? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #19
Amy has been a guest on several MSMs ReRe Mar 2014 #64
Current wasn't part of our Corporate Media. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #89
dont sell short the interference and shut downs Pacifica experienced. Goodman was affected and left reddread Mar 2014 #26
Huh? ReRe Mar 2014 #72
got a shovel? reddread Mar 2014 #83
phil donahue reddread Mar 2014 #9
Now what? ReRe Mar 2014 #74
So what is Greenwald's personal viewpoint of the "incursion"? Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #10
Huh? Maedhros Mar 2014 #38
The Ukraine is only the biggest story in the world ATM Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #51
Nah, you're mudslinging.[n/t] Maedhros Mar 2014 #59
Call it what you want... Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #65
"He's praising a journalist for taking a risk and speaking out on an issue..." OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #54
I'm stunned ReRe Mar 2014 #70
I did no such thing. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #71
Belittle the American media? Nobody bothers to stoop that low. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #98
Attempting to belittle US Media? bvar22 Mar 2014 #99
To the three interlocutors above: OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #103
Yes you did. bvar22 Mar 2014 #106
Fuck Yeah! HangOnKids Mar 2014 #108
Are you incapable of embarrassment? OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #109
"No I didn't!!!!" bvar22 Mar 2014 #117
The U.S. media is the media in the U.S. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #119
Corpo media is dwarfed? HangOnKids Mar 2014 #124
Just how hard is it to READ something before you comment? OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #126
Sorry Sport HangOnKids Mar 2014 #127
If you are unaware that the "US Media" ... bvar22 Mar 2014 #125
I think that I can fit your understanding of the media on my rear bumper. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #128
I gave you a challenge: bvar22 Mar 2014 #129
He's not going to jeopardize his paycheck--which comes from the same place TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #88
"a paycheck from the same place as Snowden's? bvar22 Mar 2014 #100
Too many coincidences. Snowden is a spy, Greenwald is getting paid to TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #102
I think you're over-analyzing things. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #104
"Too many coincidences" bvar22 Mar 2014 #107
He sits in Russia and tells Americans how bad our government is, how we TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #120
Worth something to Russia???? bvar22 Mar 2014 #122
His NSA info was the primary item of value. But maybe that can only yield so much, and now he's TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #123
#1 Snowden has released classified information ONLY to credible, established News Outlets... bvar22 Mar 2014 #130
I don't doubt the outlets to which he releases the info-- TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #131
Again, you still you supplied NOTHING to support your "suspicions"... bvar22 Mar 2014 #132
Greenwald. LOL...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #11
"I will not be ignored!" Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #58
Link to The Intercept article (with updates). Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #12
Thank You For That !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #13
"both Donahue and Arnett were fired because of their opposition to the U.S. war." woo me with science Mar 2014 #15
Ah... the Greenwald 24-hour rule! OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #22
The Buzzfeed article is viral....this is Glenn's defense.... msanthrope Mar 2014 #29
He wasn't a journalist then. He wasn't even blogging. Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #56
Mea Culpa. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #60
11-13 years ago, Greenwald was probably still in high school, or college? n/t ReRe Mar 2014 #76
Nope. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #78
Do you know if anyone has questioned him on his occupation.... ReRe Mar 2014 #86
FTR, I don't have any problem with it. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #87
You have no problem with it HangOnKids Mar 2014 #110
I answered a question. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #111
We also don't know the ultimate fate of Abby Martin. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #34
But, but, but those boxes and the dancer!!!! nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #21
Abby Martin is a 9/11 denier!!! soundsgreat Mar 2014 #24
An odd question ... frazzled Mar 2014 #25
That doesn't fit Greenwald's narrative Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #31
I guess I'd go farther ... frazzled Mar 2014 #37
Greenwald does not write from a Libertarian perspective, at least from how you're using the term. Maedhros Mar 2014 #39
Go back to ... frazzled Mar 2014 #41
Go back to... Maedhros Mar 2014 #61
Greenwald has never been a 'proper' journalist Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #48
You summed it up quite well Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #52
Thanks for posting proof that Greenwald is going insane over a Buzzfeed article..... msanthrope Mar 2014 #28
Anybody anywhere who posts the slightest negative word Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #36
Oh...I wrote stuff he hasn't been able to debunk. It's been the basis msanthrope Mar 2014 #63
guess people forgot about the Russian TV guy who came out on the air dlwickham Mar 2014 #32
We're not supposed to remember that... Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #40
Very good point. And sadly, I had. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #53
NYT article on RT host Abby Martin ProSense Mar 2014 #66
His judgment about this invasion is much better! joshcryer Mar 2014 #42
Greenwald is full of ulterior motive. Here ProSense Mar 2014 #45
What has Obama done here worth criticizing? joshcryer Mar 2014 #49
Brazillian Glenn SoapBox Mar 2014 #44
Isn't it ironic that Greenwald gets attacked on DU for... bvar22 Mar 2014 #47
No, ProSense Mar 2014 #50
LOL. bvar22 Mar 2014 #90
The Dem Party Isn't writing Op-Ed's attacking their own Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #55
that's always the way they play history: Mexico's technocrats MisterP Mar 2014 #67
Ok GG DonCoquixote Mar 2014 #57
Honey, Disconnect the Phone!!! warrprayer Mar 2014 #69
there is still NO excuse for him or anyone else criticizing the policies of a Democratic president Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #75
+1 n/t reddread Mar 2014 #94
K&R ReRe Mar 2014 #82
He did? Cool but there has to be something bad about her. Autumn Mar 2014 #96
Does she date a pole dancer? QC Mar 2014 #112
Magic 8 Ball says, MOST LIKELY. Autumn Mar 2014 #113
I bet her garage is messy, too. n/t QC Mar 2014 #114
I asked. The damn thing is loaded with boxes and ballarinas. Autumn Mar 2014 #115
I bet there's a dancin' pole in there, too. QC Mar 2014 #116
A Russian poopiehead at that. I heard she has a thing Autumn Mar 2014 #118
I saw her pinching Putin's nipples once. n/t QC Mar 2014 #121
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