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Benton D Struckcheon

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27. What Divernan posted up above about the ever escalating cost of keeping nuclear safe...
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:33 PM
Nov 2013

…is the problem in a nicely encapsulated nutshell. What the public needs to understand, not just intellectually, but emotionally, in their bones, is that this is a risk that is by its nature unlimited and unmeasurable.
Taleb's Black Swan and Fooled by Randomness are both excellent expositions on that type of risk. (A little realized and known thing, by the way: Keynes was a statistics geek and understood unlimited risk; it was at the heart of his General Theory, something Taleb doesn't understand, but Hyman Minsky does. Or did, in his case.)
The financial system is subject to this because the risks can come from anything, and finance companies are, as a necessity of the business they're in, highly leveraged and therefore subject to fatality at any time. That's the reason you want them as small as possible, so that the failure of any one of them doesn't put the entire financial system at risk.
With nuclear plants, the problem is the failure of any one of them poses a huge risk; every nuclear plant is the equivalent, in risk terms, of a too big to fail bank. You can't limit the risk by making them smaller or anything like that; the only way to mitigate the risk is to eliminate them entirely. I understand that this will mean releasing epically larger amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere, but that just makes that problem, which is at least a known and measurable risk, even more important to tackle in every possible way.

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Inexcuseable that there is no global invovlement. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2013 #1
Japan has rejected help then accepted help. Sending mixed signals. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #2
Well that is no longer true... Bennyboy Nov 2013 #52
U.S. nuclear plants also exceeding safety limits with spent fuel pools/fuel rods. Divernan Nov 2013 #3
+100 Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #4
Disgraceful that this thread is being ignored on DU Divernan Nov 2013 #5
It is sort of incredible isn't it? Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #6
well, maybe so justabob Nov 2013 #12
The world cannot afford to take a fatalistic view of this catastrophe. Divernan Nov 2013 #14
Obama continues to push for new nuclear plants without a solution to disposal of spent fuel rods. Divernan Nov 2013 #15
I get it, and I do not disagree justabob Nov 2013 #17
Fuku is ignored regularly nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #16
It is "ignored" regularly because of many reasons Art_from_Ark Nov 2013 #19
I think there is ONE DU'er that I think is closer than you nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #20
I think I am the closest Art_from_Ark Nov 2013 #22
I know, I tend to go to worst case scenarios nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #23
If something really bad happens, Art_from_Ark Nov 2013 #26
In the recent past I have been pushing people to get a darn cute nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #28
Art is closer than me and he is right. Bonobo Nov 2013 #30
In the end hope is all there is left nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #31
Yeah, that's about it, Nadin. Bonobo Nov 2013 #33
And I worry about you like family! Generic Other Nov 2013 #39
Believe me, I'm no fan of nuclear power Art_from_Ark Nov 2013 #42
No damage from the typhoon Generic Other Nov 2013 #46
I can understand that Art_from_Ark Nov 2013 #47
Can you speak Japanese? Art_from_Ark Nov 2013 #48
Perhaps it is being ignored... LouisvilleDem Nov 2013 #24
Good info, Katashi_itto. Efilroft Sul Nov 2013 #7
The zircalloy only ignites over a certain temperature in air. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #8
I posted that here too on multimedia Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #9
Yes it will heat up. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #11
Agree, that is the big "unknown" at least given TEPCO track record I would be highly worried about Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #13
K&R pa28 Nov 2013 #10
Effects of radiation CC22 Nov 2013 #18
I am totally completely 100 percent against using the splitting of atoms to boil water madokie Nov 2013 #36
What about in space travel? Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #43
I guess that would be fine with me as I don't see much of a down side to that madokie Nov 2013 #44
You realize solar energy is simply a method of collecting energy... Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #45
welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #40
k/r marmar Nov 2013 #21
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #25
What Divernan posted up above about the ever escalating cost of keeping nuclear safe... Benton D Struckcheon Nov 2013 #27
CROSS POSTED TO THE "fUKUSHIMA NEWS" THREAD... Bennyboy Nov 2013 #29
The big problem is that leaving the fuel rods where they are is not an option. longship Nov 2013 #32
Agree! Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #34
This is an important story. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #35
I think what significant is TEPCOs trying to mainly "go it alone" Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #37
Japanese people trust Japan with Japanese issues. Bonobo Nov 2013 #49
I've no problem with that under normal circumstances. But this is in a different sphere entirely. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #50
No longer true..... Bennyboy Nov 2013 #53
The inevitable consequence of nuclear power... 99Forever Nov 2013 #38
I know a bunch of Tea Partiers we could volunteer .... Myrina Nov 2013 #41
FUKUSHIMA: TEPCO, helped by the U.S., to remove nuclear fuel rods Bennyboy Nov 2013 #51
Not surprising, really LittleBlue Nov 2013 #54
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