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Bluenorthwest

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180. You are characterizing the discussion and missing the point so widely I have to assume it is

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 03:15 PM

Aug 2013

intentional. Among other things you are now claiming this is all about a post you have yet to link to, instead you want to tell us about it, make a frame and hang that picture.
When you know a couple are spouses, it is rude to call them lovers and with gay couples that can be and often is not just rude but also homophobic. Set and setting, context and intention. Pretending that is not the case and attempting to paint yourself as some wronged individual is just more pretentious self service. Why no link? Because the link would not support your contention, that's why you characterize it. That is also why you refuse to discuss the points I made and instead insist that they are irrelevant.
You keep holding on tight to that point of view you got going on. Tight. Grip. Demand. Declare. Tight.

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I can't believe that Greenwald would do [View all] jazzimov Aug 2013 OP

there you go again... nt grasswire Aug 2013 #1

Yes, and I will again and again jazzimov Aug 2013 #2

Now that's some poutrage you have worked up there. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2013 #27

"Reagan Democrats"? jazzimov Aug 2013 #38

Oh, go on now. Do tell. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2013 #42

what a contemptlble claim. cali Aug 2013 #139

troll alert! delrem Aug 2013 #3

why? nt jazzimov Aug 2013 #37

Greenwald stole nothing. MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #4

Both Poitras and Greenwald have the entire material. delrem Aug 2013 #12

Yup, fake outrage worthy of a Republican, or even a teabagger. Raksha Aug 2013 #65

"member of the press" jazzimov Aug 2013 #41

And how would you define a "member of the press"? MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #47

And which internationally-respected newspaper Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #69

Once Greenwald takes ownership it's public domain MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #71

So that makes David Miranda Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #72

Should we put people in jail for reading Greenwald's writing? MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #73

BORE ALERT !!!!!!! olddots Aug 2013 #63

Are you outraged that the Pentagon Papers were revealed myrna minx Aug 2013 #83

He stole nothing. But he did not acquire legal ownership of the materials pnwmom Aug 2013 #67

Should *you* be in jail now? MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #74

Don't expect any honest answer from the pro-authoritarians. EOTE Aug 2013 #84

In the US, the freedom of the press is protected by the Constitution, unlike in the UK. pnwmom Aug 2013 #150

How do you know what they were transporting? reusrename Aug 2013 #181

I heard he eats kittens too. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #5

So did I. What's more, I believe it. Wilms Aug 2013 #10

And Greenwald's and Snowden's character LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #118

Miranda is a big boy. Unless these were planted on him, then I don't see a problem. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #6

Greenwald. jazzimov Aug 2013 #19

What if it was the boyfriend that insisted on helping? LearningCurve Aug 2013 #23

And you didn't stop them? nt jazzimov Aug 2013 #33

Sometimes yes, sometimes no LearningCurve Aug 2013 #39

Good on you! jazzimov Aug 2013 #43

I think you may have misunderstood LearningCurve Aug 2013 #50

Not his BOYFRIEND. His spouse. They are partners and in it together. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #64

"Set up"? I'm fairly sure you don't know what that means. EOTE Aug 2013 #86

Miranda didn't have any idea what he had on him- snooper2 Aug 2013 #148

and who was taking care of their eleven rescue dogs back Rio? Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #7

Good question! jazzimov Aug 2013 #31

Maybe you should fly down there and check into it n/t HangOnKids Aug 2013 #48

Why.... on earth...would *that* be relevant? Smarmie Doofus Aug 2013 #81

Attacking Greenwald's Animals Is Now Fair Game HangOnKids Aug 2013 #153

I guess you don't think Miranda offered to do it. Wilms Aug 2013 #8

I don't care if he did jazzimov Aug 2013 #15

OK. That's you. Wilms Aug 2013 #18

Actually, it's not. Or did you not read the so-called "leaks"? jazzimov Aug 2013 #21

And you're sure of that?? Wilms Aug 2013 #35

Are you claiming he does not truly love him? hrmjustin Aug 2013 #46

It appears that way n/t HangOnKids Aug 2013 #51

If you truly loved him you'd let him decide for himself tkmorris Aug 2013 #75

The hypocrisy is mind-numbing. EOTE Aug 2013 #88

"We should be talking about changing the laws...." EOTE Aug 2013 #87

A flair for drama I did not know you possessed. Nicely done! DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #9

Be sure... TeeYiYi Aug 2013 #57

AMEN! Greenwald is an asshole, a basher asshole from the start uponit7771 Aug 2013 #11

Amen? HangOnKids Aug 2013 #154

Amen isn't indigenous to prayer ending...real religious shit like that gives Christians a bad name uponit7771 Aug 2013 #162

real religious shit? HangOnKids Aug 2013 #171

Never miss an opportunity to denigrate the nation's most popular religion. Octafish Aug 2013 #195

DN alert. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #13

I've been following Greenwald for a while jazzimov Aug 2013 #17

Does he know you are following him? R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2013 #30

Yep. The DN never knows they're a DN. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #34

I'm sure... Oilwellian Aug 2013 #115

Would someone please fetch Aunt Pittypat's smelling salts? QC Aug 2013 #14

LOL. The swooning concern for his "lover" is heartwarming. myrna minx Aug 2013 #93

Isn't it, though? QC Aug 2013 #97

It's not noting concern, it's noting an act that is almost sociopathic in its callousness. stevenleser Aug 2013 #99

Is Miranda a child? Are you privy to their spousal conversations? n/t myrna minx Aug 2013 #102

What difference does that make? Would you do that to someone? stevenleser Aug 2013 #103

There is no indication any of the information was 'stolen' muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #129

Appeal to emotion. myrna minx Aug 2013 #132

Since you appear fixated on this question... Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #133

Oh, and my ridicule was based upon the use of "lover" and "boyfriend" in the OP. myrna minx Aug 2013 #134

And they call Greenwald a "Drama Queen"... whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #16

His lover? last1standing Aug 2013 #20

I apologize. What term should I have used? jazzimov Aug 2013 #25

The term is "Partner," and talking about Miranda as though he needs protection is just as bad. last1standing Aug 2013 #29

How old are you? Twelve? tigervalentine Aug 2013 #52

Wow! What a load of bullshit you just posted. last1standing Aug 2013 #54

But you didn't tell me how old you are tigervalentine Aug 2013 #55

It's none of your Damned business how old I am. last1standing Aug 2013 #56

Force you? tigervalentine Aug 2013 #58

I certainly hope you are. last1standing Aug 2013 #59

You got owned by a lurker who sees you for what you are Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #155

Those seven hidden posts are too funny too! n/t HangOnKids Aug 2013 #159

+++ ty tiger. Whisp Aug 2013 #168

No, the term is husband. phleshdef Aug 2013 #173

I looked at Wikipedia to see if they were married and it didn't say. last1standing Aug 2013 #174

I personally don't like partner either. Boyfriend would be more equitable, if they weren't married. phleshdef Aug 2013 #177

"his lover, his most precious person in the world" is not a homophobic insult. pnwmom Aug 2013 #68

As was pointed out to me by the same poster Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #70

So if FoxNews called Michelle 'the President's lover' that would be dandy fine with you? Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #165

The discussion was not about Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #166

What has to do with orientation is the two sets of rules you use and the utter lack of response to Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #167

The points you've made are irrelevant Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #170

You are characterizing the discussion and missing the point so widely I have to assume it is Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #180

Here ya go ... Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #183

Give it a rest. Blue_In_AK Aug 2013 #22

I would be happy to jazzimov Aug 2013 #28

Ever driven in a car with three siblings? HangOnKids Aug 2013 #44

So Miranda has no ability to make decisions on his own? burnodo Aug 2013 #24

If he did make this decision on his own. jazzimov Aug 2013 #26

We all should be surprised that anti-terror laws morningfog Aug 2013 #36

The hate is getting creepy here. Strange post. morningfog Aug 2013 #32

Yeah, kinda creepy fan fiction feel cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #60

very creepy indeed Skittles Aug 2013 #62

Rock bottom doesn't slow them down Scootaloo Aug 2013 #131

Now they are all reccing an idiot blogger that hates Obama Rex Aug 2013 #161

Strange is exactly the word. /nt Marr Aug 2013 #143

anybody think he did that knowing exactly what would happen? dionysus Aug 2013 #40

I think GG knew exactly what would happen so he Cha Aug 2013 #45

Where did he advertise it? NT Eric J in MN Aug 2013 #76

exactly and so he could play the victim again treestar Aug 2013 #78

Yes. $$$ Everybody knows Britain has tough laws on this. DevonRex Aug 2013 #175

What is "this" that Britain has tough laws on? truebluegreen Aug 2013 #188

Free speech in general. Terrorism, too. DevonRex Aug 2013 #192

Actually I know that. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #193

My point was the deliberate vagueness of the law. DevonRex Aug 2013 #194

Nice dog whistle RetroLounge Aug 2013 #49

quit feeding them. nt silvershadow Aug 2013 #53

Miranda is Greenwald's spouse AND partner. You are infantalizing a half of that partnership. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #61

As you can see, you've only managed to garner 5 recs for this pathetic propaganda. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #66

he is indeed dealing with idiots SwampG8r Aug 2013 #92

I agree, though maybe the young man wanted to be involved treestar Aug 2013 #77

blah blah blah blah blah.....etc bowens43 Aug 2013 #79

I can't believe a DUer would disparage Freedom of the Press. Octafish Aug 2013 #80

It's surreal. With this tack, these Duers would be outraged that the My Lai massacre, Watergate, myrna minx Aug 2013 #89

It must be a new way of thinking. ''If I don't know about something, it can't be real.'' Octafish Aug 2013 #91

The insistence that Miranda was trafficking in "stolen" information is myrna minx Aug 2013 #140

My Lai makes LBJ look bad!!! QC Aug 2013 #96

No one looked so smart in Haggar trousers! myrna minx Aug 2013 #111

And have you seen his dogs???!!!?? QC Aug 2013 #122

Guy did give NSA the benefit of the doubt. Octafish Aug 2013 #117

This OP is pretty lame. Little Star Aug 2013 #82

Good point. Using anyone that one might care about this way shows callous disregard for them. stevenleser Aug 2013 #85

And you call yourself a 'pundit' and 'progressive'? Octafish Aug 2013 #94

I call myself a human being who wouldn't do that to someone I cared about. stevenleser Aug 2013 #95

No. The issues are democracy and freedom of the press. Octafish Aug 2013 #108

Not under this OP they aren't. I'm happy to discuss them at any time though, as you are well aware stevenleser Aug 2013 #112

This is a discussion board. Octafish Aug 2013 #114

That's right. That means I can call you out for thread/OP-jacking. You dont want to stay on topic stevenleser Aug 2013 #116

No. It looks bad on the UK and US governments who don't like freedom of the press these days... Octafish Aug 2013 #120

Again, the reason you dont want to address the point in the OP is obvious. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #125

The OP called Miranda Greenwald's ''lover.'' Octafish Aug 2013 #128

Steve was running about DU calling him Greenwald's 'bf'. BF. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #151

Your denial of agency to Miranda says quite a bit about your belief system, though. Do you HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #121

I'm not denying him agency anymore than I am denying it to my mother, adult daughter or SO stevenleser Aug 2013 #124

That's my point. You don't KNOW that Greenwald asked. If you believe Miranda has 'agency,' then HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #126

just the fact that you claim something was done to Miranda is creepy as hell cali Aug 2013 #142

"our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, ... MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #98

Your concern for his "lover" is noted Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #90

It's not concern, and I don't think the OP would characterize it as such. I'm not concerned for stevenleser Aug 2013 #100

I love the games you play Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #101

Oh sure, and the snark about the OP having 'concern' isn't game playing. Nice try. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #104

Your concern over the OP's concern is noted Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #107

I'n not concerned and the OP isn't concerned. But you knew that. stevenleser Aug 2013 #110

I know that Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #119

Can you explain... Oilwellian Aug 2013 #123

"Stolen documents". Really Steve. I thought you were the type to Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #145

LOL! Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #105

You first. Would you give stolen CIA or NSA documents to your child/mother/Significant other to stevenleser Aug 2013 #106

Well, your question begs others to be answered first. Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #130

This is one ugly thread Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #109

Thread/OP-jacking will do that. The OPs point is spot on. Many folks want to change the subject stevenleser Aug 2013 #113

No Caretha Aug 2013 #137

Word. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #149

The NSA/Snowden/Greenwald Caretha Aug 2013 #157

Your post implies that Miranda is an infant or child, incapable HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #127

'genteel form of homphobia'... Whisp Aug 2013 #169

No, my friend. It is on the UK's Customs and Immigration Enforcement's head that Miranda HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #179

then be sure not to vote for Prime Minister Santorum. Whisp Aug 2013 #182

Whew! My post went right over your fat, little head. Allow me to put it more bluntly. Don't HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #184

o my, such fightin' words! Whisp Aug 2013 #186

I miss UNREC. nt City Lights Aug 2013 #135

Congratulations Caretha Aug 2013 #136

+1 The OP is an amazing window into a twisted perspective cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #138

+1 Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #146

+1 I wouldn't miss his posts4anything leftstreet Aug 2013 #156

Not the biggest Greenwald personality fan... NCTraveler Aug 2013 #141

Greenwald needed material for chapter 9. great white snark Aug 2013 #144

The Rec list for this embarrassing post is hilarious. Marr Aug 2013 #147

My wife is a nurse. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #152

golf clapp for trolliness....nt Jesus Malverde Aug 2013 #158

I can't believe anyone on DU would stoop so low as to Rex Aug 2013 #160

A thread like what? The truth? nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #163

Yeah, I've got a question for Skinner: backscatter712 Aug 2013 #164

Shit stir... nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #172

Yup. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #178

Bullshit. Miranda is not an infant. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #176

This OP is absolutely disgusting and homophobic to boot. idwiyo Aug 2013 #185

Great post. revmclaren Aug 2013 #187

Thou doth protest too much methinks. n/t backscatter712 Aug 2013 #189

And you...Oh tin foiled hat one and Sh$t stirrer revmclaren Aug 2013 #190

I am ignored? backscatter712 Aug 2013 #191