A thank you to Democratic Underground, and a plea.

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136. I've been here for nearly nine years, so I'm familiar with the way the Greatest page works.

Of the two you linked to? One was about an issue, a very important issue as it has always been here on DU going back to when Bush began destroying the Constitution with these policies. The source linked to is a long time, well respected source.

The headline does not refer to DUers, it is a general reference to, eg, people like Cheney, Bush, Ari Fleischer, Peter King, Sarah Palin, Media people like Jeffrey Toobin and a whole host of extremist Right Wingers who are SUPPORTIVE of Bush's policies, which is what the NSA issue is all about.

There is no personal attacks or childish 'meta' in that post. It is NEWS with commentary and it is perfectly okay on any reputable site to criticize PUBLIC FIGURES like JEFFREY TOOBIN as the OP did.

So that OP has substance and a credible source and is about an ISSUE.

I would think you would have found that OP informative and interesting.

Now to the second one. I have no idea what it is meant to convey, it is a response to a few, childish people here who are solely responsible for setting a tone of bickering and name-calling. Regardless it has ZERO substance, unlike the first one.

Now, I gave you an opportunity to discuss only ISSUES in the comment you responded to, but you did not answer the questions regarding this very important issue.

I thought that is what you wanted, to discuss ISSUES, rather than PEOPLE. But it's your choice, a discussion on that issue would have nice. I prefer discussion of issues to 'meta' any day.

To each their own.