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Xithras

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119. They key word is "supporting" not "voting"

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 10:30 PM

Aug 2013

This has been discussed ad nauseum over the years, and Skinner has consistently said that he doesn't want DU members posting things that undermine Democratic candidates during the election season. There's no requirement that you vote for the Democratic candidate, but you can't do anything that might be construed as working against them. It's the old "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" line. I don't really have a problem with that. This board has a purpose that I agree with 95% of the time. During the 5% that I disagree with it, I take those issues elsewhere.

In my case, during the last election, I just stayed away from discussions where it might have become an issue. I voted for Obama the first time around and everyone on DU who read my posts knew it. During the reelection, I voted third party, though you'd never know it from anything I posted here.

If you can't bring yourself to post anything supportive of a candidate, you just have to shut up about it. Even during a presidential election cycle, there are plenty of non-presidential topics to deal with.

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Why so many "I'll never vote for Hillary" posts? [View all] brooklynite Aug 2013 OP

On the other hand, if nearly half the votes went to her, more than half went to hedgehog Aug 2013 #1

And there was a large number looking for her, enter TPTB. Little Star Aug 2013 #4

I think people who have been very pleased with President Obama ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #2

Those who are pushing for Clinton obviously don't want progressive lefty voters. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #3

Did you vote for a progressive lefty in 08? If so... Little Star Aug 2013 #7

He ran as one, twice. Hillary can't even pretend. leveymg Aug 2013 #14

Yep. Just because someone runs as one doesn't mean they actually are..... Little Star Aug 2013 #25

We'll be at war with Iran within a year if HRC is Pres, if we aren't by the time she's elected. leveymg Aug 2013 #30

I really don't think she wants to start any war..... Little Star Aug 2013 #41

I can't help how I feel. And, I've come to trust my gut feelings, leveymg Aug 2013 #52

I can't tell much from that little snippet without more context. Little Star Aug 2013 #55

Iran will make Iraq look like a Sunday stroll in the park by comparison. - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #57

Did she tell you that in a dream? Walk away Aug 2013 #83

We didn't start any wars during HRC's tenure as SoS? Really, leveymg Aug 2013 #110

Iraq war resolution probably. nt Deep13 Aug 2013 #5

That! And all the "Hil will be the nom in 2016 and tough shit" posts elehhhhna Aug 2013 #101

That's it for some people Warpy Aug 2013 #154

I think many consider it a "dead end" vote... kentuck Aug 2013 #6

If you don't understand Wilms Aug 2013 #8

+1000 Hey Wilms! JimDandy Aug 2013 #150

Greetings to you too! Wilms Aug 2013 #157

No indeed. (sigh) n/t JimDandy Aug 2013 #158

And then... Wait Wut Aug 2013 #9

So we're ONLY allowed to be pissed about the GOP?....... socialist_n_TN Aug 2013 #113

Yes. Wait Wut Aug 2013 #129

You said "God forbid that they get pissed at the GOP"... socialist_n_TN Aug 2013 #147

I,for one, don't want another corporate president. lob1 Aug 2013 #10

There's no big "Hair on Fire" story at the moment NoPasaran Aug 2013 #11

Three word and one picture explanation: Libya; Syria; Neocon; > leveymg Aug 2013 #12

Because we dont want "more of the same". darkangel218 Aug 2013 #13

more of the same like the Bushes. Whisp Aug 2013 #17

And Obama. nt darkangel218 Aug 2013 #22

Obama = Bush = bullshit uponit7771 Aug 2013 #69

Pretty much darkangel218 Aug 2013 #70

I have no patience for anyone who honestly CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #75

Are you saying President Obama's highly respected Secretary of State is like the Bushes? William769 Aug 2013 #38

Im saying he PO hasnt followed any of his promisses darkangel218 Aug 2013 #72

Sorry that was not directed at you it was in response to "whisp" William769 Aug 2013 #90

One of these things is not like the others. Whisp Aug 2013 #84

There's quite a "groundswell" of statements like that across the Internet. millennialmax Aug 2013 #15

Exactly. It is pure and simple rat fucking to try and suppress moderate and liberal voting in the FSogol Aug 2013 #64

Because people like to talk about stuff? leftstreet Aug 2013 #16

I don't see Hillary as centrist or as progressive. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #18

+1 Scuba Aug 2013 #26

+1 Marr Aug 2013 #29

That's the only way to get elected Link Speed Aug 2013 #35

..and all the others are happy to capitulate to the corporate and MIC shill candidate. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #44

She'a a hawk. Want more War? broiles Aug 2013 #74

+1 RedCappedBandit Aug 2013 #89

'centrist' = half republican AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #156

I suspect many here still hold out hope for a Kucinich candidacy. n/t lamp_shade Aug 2013 #19

It's pretty much the last realistic chance to get that off their chests customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #20

I'll support her about as enthusiastically as I did Hubert Humphrey. leveymg Aug 2013 #24

And you saw how that turned out customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #28

Why do you think I'm so damned depressed about this? leveymg Aug 2013 #32

Would the Vietnam War customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #37

Have to think about that hypothetical. Maybe, maybe not. leveymg Aug 2013 #43

Didn't Nixon customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #86

Had Humphrey won in 1968, there's a damned good chance LBJ and the Vietnamese might have reached HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #61

I agree customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #87

Anyone who will not vote for her if she gets the nomination should be banned. But I will not... Logical Aug 2013 #21

Nah, the rules are pretty clear about that. Xithras Aug 2013 #31

...not to mention how this is going to affect the DU jury system which is already wack. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #46

yeah, freedom of speech is not a strong point around here but we are talking about a liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #62

yes if she does get the nomination there will be a lot of censorship going on. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #51

After the general election begins you can definitely be banned for not... gulliver Aug 2013 #91

They key word is "supporting" not "voting" Xithras Aug 2013 #119

well if the choice is being forced to vote for someone or be banned, I'll chose being banned. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #34

i have honestly tried to like her and quite frankly i can't dembotoz Aug 2013 #23

she racked up nearly half of the Democratic Primary votes cast DJ13 Aug 2013 #27

Yea ...he needed the lefties and progressives ...for the votes only... L0oniX Aug 2013 #47

... then backed over a few more times. GoneFishin Aug 2013 #116

people usually say why they make that statement quinnox Aug 2013 #33

I'm 100% voting for whoever the Dem nominee is. These republicans are TERRIFYING! JaneyVee Aug 2013 #36

I agree Andy823 Aug 2013 #73

They're looking for the pony & unicorn candidate.... Historic NY Aug 2013 #39

IMHO the biggest problem people here have with Hillary is not only that she is a female William769 Aug 2013 #40

But I believe that the majority of us who don't want Hillary want Elizabeth Warren, who Zorra Aug 2013 #45

+1. n/t winter is coming Aug 2013 #48

it's just another attempt to discredit people who don't support Hillary. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #56

We'll all be accused of sexism anyway. bunnies Aug 2013 #60

I agree that she is going to run and... Little Star Aug 2013 #50

Now that's a foaming at the mouth reply usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #98

Because we are DUers demwing Aug 2013 #42

I always vote absentee Spirochete Aug 2013 #49

I will not vote for Hillary. mick063 Aug 2013 #63

Hmm. The people claiming they won't vote for Hillary have low post counts and seem to have an Pisces Aug 2013 #66

I will not vote for Hillary and I have more posts than you. There are many on here who have liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #71

Yes, and most of those acquired their post counts trying to stir up trouble. It doesn't take a much Pisces Aug 2013 #78

you can think whatever you like about me. You may be right about the majority of democrats liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #81

I am not attacking you personally. There is a concerted effort on this board that is bought and paid Pisces Aug 2013 #125

Yes, but Andy823 Aug 2013 #67

Santorum, Romney,Bachman, Cain, Perry, Gingrich, Ryan, all much, much worse. mick063 Aug 2013 #82

She voted to invade Iraq and should have known better. She has never recanted her vote and HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #53

If she becomes our 2016 nominee, I'll vote for her - but I don't want a coronation derby378 Aug 2013 #54

My biggest gripe with Hillary is her hawkishness. DCBob Aug 2013 #58

she wanted to bomb libya and then he did. so he's not quite a dove. allin99 Aug 2013 #99

If she were calling the shots we probably would have sent ground troops. DCBob Aug 2013 #123

Who else is there that can win? Redford Aug 2013 #59

Biden? Warren? The Dems have a very deep bench compared to the loonies in the HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #65

Perhaps in response to the OP's demanding we all pick a candidate NOW who is Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #68

because they are scared of her Skittles Aug 2013 #76

They don't have an alternative JoePhilly Aug 2013 #77

Most DU is out of the mainstream of the Democratic Party... Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #79

Good post Gothmog Aug 2013 #140

Excellent post. I wish I'd read it before I posted. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #145

Excellent points Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #155

Okay...here is what I think...FWIW... KoKo Aug 2013 #80

I support Hillary and I will proudly vote for her. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #85

me 2 MFM008 Aug 2013 #104

I doin't think Warren wants it. I like her and would consider voting for her if Hillary does not hrmjustin Aug 2013 #105

She vociferously voted for Bush's Iraq slaughter and for Obama's drone war. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #88

I've been wondering the same thing. GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #92

I think it's funny; Old White People are the scourge of the earth... cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #93

I understand completely. bowens43 Aug 2013 #94

There's always a lot of chest-thumping burnodo Aug 2013 #95

And what happens when people don't fold? nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #103

fold-in...tow the line...vote for the Dem nominee burnodo Aug 2013 #106

Nope, not always. nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #108

anger at...Hillary? burnodo Aug 2013 #109

anger at all of our politicians. Anger at the fact that they have sold our freedoms and social liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #118

History usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #96

18 million+ allin99 Aug 2013 #97

Why so many posts trying to shove her down our throats LWolf Aug 2013 #100

Many reasons, maybe. NSA Spying intruding into consciousness? KoKo Aug 2013 #111

Aaahhh? Maybe because lots of people will never vote for Hillary? Coyotl Aug 2013 #102

Because Virginia Thomas is getting people to disrupt discussions everywhere Recursion Aug 2013 #107

I think about half of them jazzimov Aug 2013 #112

Of course Id vote for Clinton if she won the nomination Bradical79 Aug 2013 #114

I'll vote for who ever gets the democratic nomination madokie Aug 2013 #115

I won't reward the party for jamming a corporatist down my throat. I'll stay home. GoneFishin Aug 2013 #117

Because "Chickens for Colonel Sanders" is always stupicidal even when the other team is Tyson. TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #120

She was apparently unacceptable as a candidate for more than 17 million people in 2008. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #121

It's only 2013 Union Scribe Aug 2013 #122

I'll hold my nose and vote for her if she's the only choice I have. B Calm Aug 2013 #124

Republican astroturf Renew Deal Aug 2013 #126

I am going to start voting third party until the Dems can get progressive candidates. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #127

Shooting ourselves in the the foot is inherent to the democratic party by many of the far left demosincebirth Aug 2013 #128

Hillary SamKnause Aug 2013 #130

Shortsighted people, trolls, and those easily fooled by trolls ecstatic Aug 2013 #131

^^This^^ Lisa D Aug 2013 #132

+++++ Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #146

I think I see the problem here. RC Aug 2013 #133

^^^THIS^^^ PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #136

Meh... I don't care enough Xyzse Aug 2013 #134

Because she is a RIGHT of Center (NOT Centrist) DLC Third way rep. Oh yeah she voted for Iraq War... on point Aug 2013 #135

This place is rife with malcontents. n/t Scurrilous Aug 2013 #137

How is that a problem? RC Aug 2013 #144

What's intriguing to me is that they say they fear she'll be exactly what Obama *IS*. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #138

"Too centrist" is a cute euphemism. MrSlayer Aug 2013 #139

I'll venture a guess for ya...People are sick of third-wayers, and the party can't withstand a silvershadow Aug 2013 #141

It's probably because you think DU has some real world impact, IT DOESN'T. I know this because.... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #142

I would definitely vote for her loyalsister Aug 2013 #143

They're probably from people who usually vote 3rd party anyway. pnwmom Aug 2013 #148

Too centrist? Vashta Nerada Aug 2013 #149

Well, we do have a libertarian contingent aboard. MADem Aug 2013 #151

I don't understand the Mrs. Clinton hate by GOP and some Ds...the bright side is.... Sunlei Aug 2013 #152

We need real change. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #153