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dreamnightwind

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173. I see it much more as a top vs bottom war

Mon Jul 29, 2013, 07:51 PM

Jul 2013

than a left vs right war. There will always be left-right battles, and I care deeply about them, but that's the sideshow, the distraction. The real war is the 1% having their way with the rest of us, liberals and conservatives alike. The OP either diminishes this point or doesn't agree with it.

The Democrats, sadly, are no longer on the side of the 99%, and that a HUGE part of the problem. With the exception of only a very few in the House and the Senate, and pretty much nobody appointed by our Democratic president, there is nobody in Washington fighting for our interests, nobody. They are all on the payroll of the 1%. Fix that, then we can start to make a difference.

Comprehensive campaign finance reform is the only game in town, because until we get it, they'll continue to screw us.

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WAKE THE FUCK UP [View all] Phillyindy Jul 2013 OP

Nice rant. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #1

Nice rant, but let's cut out the "F" word. I am so sick of it. n/t RebelOne Jul 2013 #59

The OP is clearly pissed off. Apophis Jul 2013 #72

I agree. Profanity is detrimental to any well-reasoned argument, including this one. n/t SylviaD Jul 2013 #73

i would like to know sweetapogee Jul 2013 #85

acutally, you proved the op's point DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #90

^^^ This ^^^ tex-wyo-dem Jul 2013 #115

Yes it does. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #116

+1000. Paladin Jul 2013 #128

Very good use of a popular expression in regard to liberal arguments! maddiemom Jul 2013 #141

Knives? We have been bringing... RoccoR5955 Jul 2013 #158

I don't think that allowing civility its due denies or improves success to either party. LanternWaste Jul 2013 #163

Freeperville bans profanity and it doesn't seem to help them much Major Nikon Jul 2013 #107

Are people who swear more honest? AlbertCat Jul 2013 #150

Actually, the "Fuck" word is very effective at expressing emotion world wide wally Jul 2013 #74

We don't hear enough of it adieu Jul 2013 #105

Some rebel. n/t mattclearing Jul 2013 #121

And that is the reason we are losing - TBF Jul 2013 #131

rant kardonb Jul 2013 #68

Profanity is almost as annoying as.... Phillyindy Jul 2013 #71

OMG! It's the English teacher! kentuck Jul 2013 #76

LOL duzy tavalon Jul 2013 #92

I can not believe we are discussing the pros and cons of the word Fuck... busterbrown Jul 2013 #110

ALERTING FOR USING THE WORD "FUCK"! Fuckers using the word fuck is fucking fucked. FFS. L0oniX Jul 2013 #149

kick kentuck Jul 2013 #2

In general, I agree. real Democracy of the people is hard work Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #3

Don't be sorry. Brigid Jul 2013 #4

Thanks :) Phillyindy Jul 2013 #8

denounce the other side for the sick twisted fascist pukes that they are PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #5

No one has to go very far. RC Jul 2013 #78

I like you. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #6

Be careful what you wish for Fumesucker Jul 2013 #7

Its kinda hard now railsback Jul 2013 #9

"calling out bullshit" per the OP, right here -- the right is not using "the left's" talking points. nashville_brook Jul 2013 #27

We're not doing a very good job, are we? kentuck Jul 2013 #28

i think that's why a lot of us are here...to crowdsource how to do a better job nashville_brook Jul 2013 #31

We did an excellent job! AlbertCat Jul 2013 #152

Ah, you assume our electorate is detail oriented railsback Jul 2013 #30

"So you can bang the drums of righteousness and liberalism all you want" -- seriously? nashville_brook Jul 2013 #32

Yeah, SERIOUSLY railsback Jul 2013 #69

if you think that allowing spying on Americans = #winning nashville_brook Jul 2013 #86

The burden of proof is upon you railsback Jul 2013 #175

The NSA IS spying on the American people, and guess what, for the first time in memory, Republicans sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #171

NSA is going to spy railsback Jul 2013 #174

I do know who they are spying on. They are spying on ME. And I want to know why. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #178

You know I think if the President wanted to seize the moment he snappyturtle Jul 2013 #177

Yes. kentuck Jul 2013 #38

HaHaHaHaHaHa! A detail oriented electorate! Good one. railsback Jul 2013 #66

Ok. I jumped off the razor thin fence and my pecker is out of the wind... kentuck Jul 2013 #77

still waiting for your list :) nashville_brook Jul 2013 #44

My list of inconsistencies? railsback Jul 2013 #63

Put another worm on the hook. kentuck Jul 2013 #83

Haven't you ever seen those late night shows, when people like Leno go out on the streets ... AlbertCat Jul 2013 #153

This post is righteous nashville_brook mick063 Jul 2013 #35

nobody wants New Coke. nashville_brook Jul 2013 #42

Dead-on. Have to question where someone is coming from when they DirkGently Jul 2013 #51

+1000. Triangulating is a bullshit sellout. The corporatists are the ones responsible for the Dem GoneFishin Jul 2013 #104

Thank you! nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #117

Most important to get rid of Republicans in the house in 2014 Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2013 #101

It is up to the liberals. kentuck Jul 2013 #10

Exactly! a fantastic, spot on rant. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #11

I've denounced conservatism plenty IrishAyes Jul 2013 #12

in the end people get what they deserve ,, Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #13

Bigots Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2013 #108

My wife and I were having this very discussion last night. I found myself reminiscing about HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #134

Carter was the closest thing to a "choir boy" that we've ever had as President. maddiemom Jul 2013 #144

Were it not for Manzanar, FDR would qualify for 'choir boy' in my book too. Even so, FDR HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #148

But, WAIT! All Reagan had to do was say, "Mr. Gorbache tear down this wall,"v, maddiemom Jul 2013 #166

This is brilliant. crim son Jul 2013 #14

You kidding? Put it on a billboard!!! :) Phillyindy Jul 2013 #16

The Liberal Manifesto kentuck Jul 2013 #18

The Republicans caused the 2 worst economic crises in US history. ErikJ Jul 2013 #15

THe 3rd economic crisis started under Bush jr. Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2013 #102

Don't forget the Reagan Recession (1981-83). Adult unemployment crested at HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #135

It's worse than you think. Mr.Bill Jul 2013 #17

Or Manson, if they could. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #43

What they really want is Hitler, v. 2.0. (Sound the Godwin alarm! :) - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #136

K&R X100 COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #19

You are absolutely right brush Jul 2013 #20

We have national health care, more rights for gays, a budding Moderate-Progressive bluestate10 Jul 2013 #46

Of course some things have been accomplished brush Jul 2013 #79

National health care? How about Universal Health Care instead? RC Jul 2013 #80

Well don't sugar coat it, Stryder Jul 2013 #21

Amazing how a person who is dependent on a government job can become anti-government. bluestate10 Jul 2013 #41

so your solution is to become just like them, and shove it down their throats pasto76 Jul 2013 #22

Many people on the Left are sane. It is the far Left that appears to be unbalanced. bluestate10 Jul 2013 #39

"Remarkable progress" mick063 Jul 2013 #47

That is debatable, isn't it? kentuck Jul 2013 #53

uhm.. PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #50

Right on! kentuck Jul 2013 #55

The leading from behind crowd is here to take credit. GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #89

k & freakin r! eom! wildbilln864 Jul 2013 #23

Liberals Yes - DLC Democrats No cantbeserious Jul 2013 #24

Reminds me of where I was twenty-some years ago. Please be so kind as to define liberal. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #25

I like that! tom_kelly Jul 2013 #34

Noted. Im going back to bed NoOneMan Jul 2013 #26

Great rant. K&R. Arkansas Granny Jul 2013 #29

You want Democrats to beat republicans bloody at the polls and with policy? bluestate10 Jul 2013 #33

I was reluctant to click on this but I'm glad I did. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #36

excelant mtasselin Jul 2013 #37

Agreed...except agent46 Jul 2013 #40

I absolutely agree - as a demographic, gays have high levels of disposable income. Divernan Jul 2013 #100

Gay people can be fired for being gay in several states. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #122

There is some truth to your point (but) dreamnightwind Jul 2013 #167

I just think that line of argument minimizes the LGBT struggle. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #169

I don't think it minimizes agent46 Jul 2013 #170

Huge error in your thesis here - elehhhhna Jul 2013 #45

The only way to defeat republican gerrymandering is to get as many people that are bluestate10 Jul 2013 #52

perhaps some dem leadership that acts like dems would inspire more to vote? elehhhhna Jul 2013 #94

yes Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2013 #109

One of the four guys who wrote the law that gave us "vapor ballots" OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #96

It's a propaganda war and we are losing it... kentuck Jul 2013 #48

Yes Kentuck. Democrats actually believe in democracy and when given the chance to lead, bluestate10 Jul 2013 #54

Not dirty if it is the hard truth. kentuck Jul 2013 #62

47% heaven05 Jul 2013 #49

That 47% is from a group that is a declining part of the electorate. bluestate10 Jul 2013 #56

YEAH! SammyWinstonJack Jul 2013 #57

Liberals are not the ones willing to always compromise, it is the presence of the Third Way sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #58

Nicely done. n/t countmyvote4real Jul 2013 #60

great view and well said Chaco Dundee Jul 2013 #61

How does this equate to winning elections? Martin Eden Jul 2013 #64

Bravo!!!! samplegirl Jul 2013 #65

Thanks for posting!! The Repukes count on us being nice-->it works for them.... hue Jul 2013 #67

Want to GOTV and make people HAPPY to push that "Democrat" button? bvar22 Jul 2013 #70

Great. AlinPA Jul 2013 #75

We need to fix THE DAMN MEDIA!! Duval Jul 2013 #81

We will resist and we will find a way to vote . . . TomClash Jul 2013 #82

k and r SHRED Jul 2013 #84

Agree with the sentiment... Ken Burch Jul 2013 #87

Be a lert dreamnightwind Jul 2013 #172

Brilliant rant... Javaman Jul 2013 #88

I absolutely agree!!! Mojo Electro Jul 2013 #91

for most there aren't any liberals to vote for Doctor_J Jul 2013 #93

Great post Phillyindy, thanks for taking the time to write it, and please ignore all the .... Scuba Jul 2013 #95

I'm with the OP: LevelB Jul 2013 #97

"Isn't that just like a liberal? Brings a knife to a gun fight." edbermac Jul 2013 #98

crucial lesson here: not all opinions are made equal NuttyFluffers Jul 2013 #99

+ a lot MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #103

It wasn't pretty the first time the labor movement took power away from the rich. It won't be pretty liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #106

A lot of people have forgotten or never knew that part of our history deutsey Jul 2013 #130

Most are consumed by their daily life instead of being politically active Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2013 #111

Republicans Are A Disease StevePaulson Jul 2013 #112

And stop appointing Republicans to a Democratic Administration!!! What is that all about? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #113

K&R Raffi Ella Jul 2013 #114

The first thing that I thought after reading this post was... bearssoapbox Jul 2013 #118

worthy of its own thread Skittles Jul 2013 #119

Thank you Skittles bearssoapbox Jul 2013 #120

Obama? "Well-intentioned"? Sure, for some: Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #123

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #127

Welcome to DU. Who do you think would fit that phrase? Who did you support for Pres last election? uppityperson Jul 2013 #138

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #142

This is what happens when Democrats become Republican mick063 Jul 2013 #145

You knew Kerry "was no good" ? cyberswede Jul 2013 #151

Fuck Ron Paul and... zappaman Jul 2013 #154

Ron Paul is scum of the earth. LeftishBrit Jul 2013 #159

...and then they use it to bash Obama uponit7771 Jul 2013 #140

Goddam! Shade7M Jul 2013 #124

I think simple shunning Shankapotomus Jul 2013 #125

Cussing and yelling at them won't work, btw /nt jberryhill Jul 2013 #126

It depends who you're cussing/yelling at - TBF Jul 2013 #147

+1 andlor Jul 2013 #129

Well said! another_liberal Jul 2013 #132

Democrats are either tactically stupid or willfully compliant. Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 #133

Fuck! The greatest word ever! BellaKos Jul 2013 #137

Wow! Tell us what you REALLY think! maddiemom Jul 2013 #139

paragraphs are your friend snooper2 Jul 2013 #143

It means that just about half the country, AlbertCat Jul 2013 #146

That's the problem Glaisne Jul 2013 #155

LIST THE FACTS Angelonthesidelines Jul 2013 #156

great post! maybe we libs can learn from it. Sarah Ibarruri Jul 2013 #157

OK, you've just made me conscious that I have always felt that liberals are at the center, and Gregorian Jul 2013 #160

I'm with you. I've fought bullshit attempts at bipartisanship. People on the right respect fighters. ancianita Jul 2013 #161

I imagine many Republicans are rational just as I imagine many Democrats are irrational. LanternWaste Jul 2013 #162

The key word being... Phillyindy Jul 2013 #165

Excellent perfect post. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #164

Thank you mtnester Jul 2013 #168

I see it much more as a top vs bottom war dreamnightwind Jul 2013 #173

Spot on mick063 Jul 2013 #176

You might find a better ideological fit dreamnightwind Jul 2013 #182

The problem isn't the 1%... Phillyindy Jul 2013 #179

What part of good cop bad cop don't you understand? dreamnightwind Jul 2013 #180

Well said, can't say Phillyindy Jul 2013 #183

K&R Great rant! raouldukelives Jul 2013 #181