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In reply to the discussion: What were Glenn Greenwald and Jane Hamsher doing with their curious PAC? [View all]struggle4progress
(126,218 posts)47. I've posted this link dozens of times. Surely you've seen it by now:
Re-rise of the Naderites: Glenn Greenwalds third party dreamin **UPDATE: on Libertarianism
Posted on April 22, 2011 by jreid
At a talk given the day after the 2010 election one that was a disaster for Democrats progressive writer and civil liberties lawyer Glenn Greenwald gave a talk at the University of Wisconsin, and expressed the hope that Democrats might suffer the same fate in 2012. Greenwalds speech mainly focused on civil liberties and terrorism policy in the age of Obama. But it was his approach to politics that got members of the Young Americans for Liberty a Paulite Libertarian group that co-sponsored the event excited ...
... If all you ever do is complain about how horrible and abysmal the Democrats are, but at the end of the day, right before the election happens, you say, you know what, as much as I loathe you, and as disappointing as youve been, and as horrible as the things you have done, Im going to give you my support because youve scared me that the other alternative is just a little bit worse and therefore since Ill never vote Republican, you have my unconditional undying support no matter how much how stmp on my values, no matter how horrible the things that you do what youre doing is youre guaranteeing that youll always be ignored ... And thats the position that so many liberals and progressives have been in. Which is, you know, really finding Democratic policies to be repellant and yet at the same time, at the end of the day saying, well youve convinced me that theyre just a tiny, little bit worse. And the only way to break that is to say well, even though I know that by abstaining or supporting a third party, Im going to be sacrificing some of my short term political interests; Im going to be causing a few more Republicans to be elected than otherwise might be elected; on balance, Im willing to sacrifice my short term interests in order to do something to subvert the stranglehold that these two parties have on the political process because electing more Democrats, even though its a little less scary, accomplishes nothing good. And everyones going to have to decide for themselves when they get to that point, and I think and hope that that point is pretty close. And if Obama does move to the center as the consensus is telling him that he should and starts doing things like cutting Social Security, which theyre revving up to do if they can get consensus on, in a very short period of time, I think youre gonna see lots and lots of progressives and Democrats even people who hated the Naderites for abandoning the party, start to entertain those options, and a lot sooner rather than later. And I hope thats the case ...
http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/04/re-rise-of-the-naderites-glenn-greenwalds-third-party-dreamin/
Posted on April 22, 2011 by jreid
At a talk given the day after the 2010 election one that was a disaster for Democrats progressive writer and civil liberties lawyer Glenn Greenwald gave a talk at the University of Wisconsin, and expressed the hope that Democrats might suffer the same fate in 2012. Greenwalds speech mainly focused on civil liberties and terrorism policy in the age of Obama. But it was his approach to politics that got members of the Young Americans for Liberty a Paulite Libertarian group that co-sponsored the event excited ...
... If all you ever do is complain about how horrible and abysmal the Democrats are, but at the end of the day, right before the election happens, you say, you know what, as much as I loathe you, and as disappointing as youve been, and as horrible as the things you have done, Im going to give you my support because youve scared me that the other alternative is just a little bit worse and therefore since Ill never vote Republican, you have my unconditional undying support no matter how much how stmp on my values, no matter how horrible the things that you do what youre doing is youre guaranteeing that youll always be ignored ... And thats the position that so many liberals and progressives have been in. Which is, you know, really finding Democratic policies to be repellant and yet at the same time, at the end of the day saying, well youve convinced me that theyre just a tiny, little bit worse. And the only way to break that is to say well, even though I know that by abstaining or supporting a third party, Im going to be sacrificing some of my short term political interests; Im going to be causing a few more Republicans to be elected than otherwise might be elected; on balance, Im willing to sacrifice my short term interests in order to do something to subvert the stranglehold that these two parties have on the political process because electing more Democrats, even though its a little less scary, accomplishes nothing good. And everyones going to have to decide for themselves when they get to that point, and I think and hope that that point is pretty close. And if Obama does move to the center as the consensus is telling him that he should and starts doing things like cutting Social Security, which theyre revving up to do if they can get consensus on, in a very short period of time, I think youre gonna see lots and lots of progressives and Democrats even people who hated the Naderites for abandoning the party, start to entertain those options, and a lot sooner rather than later. And I hope thats the case ...
http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/04/re-rise-of-the-naderites-glenn-greenwalds-third-party-dreamin/
In a nutshell, GG's agenda is to split progressives from the Dems and to encourage them instead to vote 3rd party or not to vote. And in 2010, he was hoping that alienated progressives could be induced to vote for Gary Johnson in 2012
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What were Glenn Greenwald and Jane Hamsher doing with their curious PAC? [View all]
struggle4progress
Jul 2013
OP
I don't give the teeniest tiniest shit. All I care about is that Greenwald is helping expose the
MotherPetrie
Jul 2013
#1
If you're interested in facts, then carefully double-check whatever GG claims: he has an agenda
struggle4progress
Jul 2013
#2
His agenda is to encourage progressives to vote third-party or just not vote
struggle4progress
Jul 2013
#30
That's not what I hear him talking about, or reporting on, or writing about these days.
99th_Monkey
Jul 2013
#31
Shh. You're only supposed to double-check the claims of approved suspects. n/t
winter is coming
Jul 2013
#44
and as i've stated, the progressives need no encouragement from any outsiders..
frylock
Jul 2013
#56
Greenwald and the NC Republicans certainly agree too many progressives are voting Dem -- though
struggle4progress
Jul 2013
#68
and the ignore button should be used when posters insult others with opposing views and
liberal_at_heart
Jul 2013
#22
If it's all on the up-and-up, then why the absolute desperation to smear GG?
MotherPetrie
Jul 2013
#15
It's good for real progressives to know exactly who he is and what he's been up to: such facts
struggle4progress
Jul 2013
#19
I'm infinitely more concerned about what the NSA is doing on Obama's watch.
MotherPetrie
Jul 2013
#21
GG is blowing pretty smoke-rings from his butt when he says stuff like "The NSA has trillions
struggle4progress
Jul 2013
#26
Nothing supportive of liberal economic policies, that's for damn sure. nt
AllINeedIsCoffee
Jul 2013
#4
Why a monetary transfer between a "progressive" PAC and Paul Ryan's election campaign?
struggle4progress
Jul 2013
#35
The link I gave includes video of a tea-party anti-healthcare activist saying
struggle4progress
Jul 2013
#13
It was certainly clever of GG to turn around and attack SEIU after taking SEIU-COPE money. I notice
struggle4progress
Jul 2013
#49
"... Having SEIU officials — fresh off endorsing the Obama re-election campaign — shape, fund,
struggle4progress
Jul 2013
#62
The Daily Kos post, that you lifted that from, indicates the PAC would mount primary challenges
struggle4progress
Jul 2013
#50