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struggle4progress

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47. I've posted this link dozens of times. Surely you've seen it by now:
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 03:05 PM
Jul 2013
Re-rise of the Naderites: Glenn Greenwald’s third party dreamin’ **UPDATE: on Libertarianism
Posted on April 22, 2011 by jreid

At a talk given the day after the 2010 election — one that was a disaster for Democrats — “progressive” writer and civil liberties lawyer Glenn Greenwald gave a talk at the University of Wisconsin, and expressed the hope that Democrats might suffer the same fate in 2012. Greenwald’s speech mainly focused on civil liberties and terrorism policy “in the age of Obama.” But it was his approach to politics that got members of the Young Americans for Liberty — a Paulite Libertarian group that co-sponsored the event — excited ...

... If all you ever do is complain about how horrible and abysmal the Democrats are, but at the end of the day, right before the election happens, you say, you know what, as much as I loathe you, and as disappointing as you’ve been, and as horrible as the things you have done, I’m going to give you my support because you’ve scared me that the other alternative is just a little bit worse … and therefore since I’ll never vote Republican, you have my unconditional undying support no matter how much how stmp on my values, no matter how horrible the things that you do … what you’re doing is youre guaranteeing that you’ll always be ignored ... And that’s the position that so many liberals and progressives have been in. Which is, you know, really finding Democratic policies to be repellant and yet at the same time, at the end of the day saying, well you’ve convinced me that they’re just a tiny, little bit worse. And the only way to break that is to say well, even though I know that by abstaining or supporting a third party, I’m going to be sacrificing some of my short term political interests; I’m going to be causing a few more Republicans to be elected than otherwise might be elected; on balance, I’m willing to sacrifice my short term interests in order to do something to subvert the stranglehold that these two parties have on the political process because electing more Democrats, even though it’s a little less scary, accomplishes nothing good. And everyone’s going to have to decide for themselves when they get to that point, and I think and hope that that point is pretty close. And if Obama does move to the center as the consensus is telling him that he should and starts doing things like cutting Social Security, which they’re revving up to do if they can get consensus on, in a very short period of time, I think you’re gonna see lots and lots of progressives and Democrats – even people who hated the Naderites for abandoning the party, start to entertain those options, and a lot sooner rather than later. And I hope that’s the case ...

http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/04/re-rise-of-the-naderites-glenn-greenwalds-third-party-dreamin/


In a nutshell, GG's agenda is to split progressives from the Dems and to encourage them instead to vote 3rd party or not to vote. And in 2010, he was hoping that alienated progressives could be induced to vote for Gary Johnson in 2012

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I don't give the teeniest tiniest shit. All I care about is that Greenwald is helping expose the MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #1
If you're interested in facts, then carefully double-check whatever GG claims: he has an agenda struggle4progress Jul 2013 #2
You mean a "sinister Libertarian" agenda, don't you? 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #28
His agenda is to encourage progressives to vote third-party or just not vote struggle4progress Jul 2013 #30
That's not what I hear him talking about, or reporting on, or writing about these days. 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #31
we get enough encouragement to do that from democrats frylock Jul 2013 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #53
Dopey slogans like that helped hand my state to the Rs! Thanks! struggle4progress Jul 2013 #54
we've been waiting for weeks for y'all to expose the agenda.. frylock Jul 2013 #41
Shh. You're only supposed to double-check the claims of approved suspects. n/t winter is coming Jul 2013 #44
I've posted this link dozens of times. Surely you've seen it by now: struggle4progress Jul 2013 #47
and as i've stated, the progressives need no encouragement from any outsiders.. frylock Jul 2013 #56
Greenwald and the NC Republicans certainly agree too many progressives are voting Dem -- though struggle4progress Jul 2013 #68
well, you can continue to blame greenwald for the democrat's failings.. frylock Jul 2013 #69
+1000 truebluegreen Jul 2013 #3
Greenie is helping himself to some fast cash Whisp Jul 2013 #5
I am INFINITELY more concerned about what the NSA is doing! MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #7
you are being led by the nose. Whisp Jul 2013 #9
The frantically stepped up anti-GG posts today are just so very telling. MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #11
I find it so very pathetic that otherwise intelligent people Whisp Jul 2013 #14
and the ignore button should be used when posters insult others with opposing views and liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #22
No, the only tizzy I see is by the Snowden supporters. nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #16
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure. MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #17
Exactly! nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #12
I consider trans vaginal probes an egregious violation of our privacy. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #10
If it's all on the up-and-up, then why the absolute desperation to smear GG? MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #15
It's good for real progressives to know exactly who he is and what he's been up to: such facts struggle4progress Jul 2013 #19
I'm infinitely more concerned about what the NSA is doing on Obama's watch. MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #21
GG is blowing pretty smoke-rings from his butt when he says stuff like "The NSA has trillions struggle4progress Jul 2013 #26
Then GG did his job well with you Recursion Jul 2013 #29
There is no "absolute desperation to smear GG." SunSeeker Jul 2013 #20
Nothing supportive of liberal economic policies, that's for damn sure. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #4
Another minute, another smear. last1standing Jul 2013 #6
Why a monetary transfer between a "progressive" PAC and Paul Ryan's election campaign? struggle4progress Jul 2013 #35
Whoever this PAC donated to doesn't change the facts about NSA spying. last1standing Jul 2013 #57
Anti-healthcare activist is a gross smear of Hamsher. TransitJohn Jul 2013 #8
The link I gave includes video of a tea-party anti-healthcare activist saying struggle4progress Jul 2013 #13
Why are you continuing to conflate the PPACA with healthcare? TransitJohn Jul 2013 #18
it is insurance that allows people to get healthcare. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #23
Sorry. TransitJohn Jul 2013 #24
Right. And a marriage certificate is just a piece of paper. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #25
Blue xylephone woodpecker TransitJohn Jul 2013 #27
Rand, is that you? nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #34
The same reason we call SS a retirement program Recursion Jul 2013 #33
Good God. We're defending Hamsher now Recursion Jul 2013 #51
No, just lamenting the lack of accuracy around here. TransitJohn Jul 2013 #67
The usual...fleecing the gullible. n/t Scurrilous Jul 2013 #32
Hey! A guy's gotta earn a living somehow, you know. MineralMan Jul 2013 #36
here's 50$ olddots Jul 2013 #38
You bet! Allow 6 months for delivery.** MineralMan Jul 2013 #39
Just received an email response: OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #59
Kick! BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #37
One other tidbit about Jane Hamsher . . . Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #40
I like how you started the OP out with a lie cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jul 2013 #45
It was certainly clever of GG to turn around and attack SEIU after taking SEIU-COPE money. I notice struggle4progress Jul 2013 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jul 2013 #58
"... Having SEIU officials — fresh off endorsing the Obama re-election campaign — shape, fund, struggle4progress Jul 2013 #62
The Daily Kos post, that you lifted that from, indicates the PAC would mount primary challenges struggle4progress Jul 2013 #50
I didn't read your post or the one preceding it. OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jul 2013 #61
Which "lie" was that? I provided links struggle4progress Jul 2013 #48
Thin ice. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #64
DU rec...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #46
The People's View is rancid garbage whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #52
The OP provides a link to OpenSecrets that also contains the info struggle4progress Jul 2013 #55
Boink. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #63
Yessirrree nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #65
! JNelson6563 Jul 2013 #66
K & R Scurrilous Jul 2013 #70
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