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Tommy_Carcetti

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Mon Jul 8, 2013, 05:31 PM Jul 2013

Why Trayvon may have been heading north on the dog path and still not "doubling back" to ambush GZ [View all]

A lot has been made about why it supposedly would have taken Trayvon so long to get back to the house where he was staying after losing Zimmerman. People who believe Zimmerman's account believe this is somehow evidence that Trayvon decided to "double back" with the specific intention of "ambushing" Zimmerman.

Now, I've repeatedly asked as to the logic of such a theory: Why would someone who clearly sought to escape a dangerous situation (i.e. having a stranger chase you for no apparent reason) decide to make such a radical 180 decision to then turn around and voluntarily re-insert himself in that dangerous situation that he just sought to escape? As of yet, I've yet to hear any reason that has convinced me that it would be a logical response for any rational human being, young or old.

But let's put that aside for the moment.

And let's consider three things regarding the case:

1. Trayvon was not a regular resident of the community and likely wasn't intensely familiar with its layout and whose house was whose.
2. It was dark outside when this all occurred.
3. This is a townhouse community wherein all the units look pretty much identical to one another, especially from the back.

Now let's look at the map:



Note that from the dog path you wouldn't be able to see the front of the houses, only the back. To my knowledge there were no numbers on the back of the units. The numbers would only be on the front of the units. So it might not be clear to someone with little knowledge of the community which unit was which. Even worse in the dark and in the rain.

Even if Trayvon thought one of the units was Brandy Green's house and he could attempt to knock on the back slider to have her son let him in, if he was wrong and he was knocking on the wrong slider, it might make him look even worse, as if he were trying to break into someone's house.

So it would make logical sense for him to go back up the dog path and out to Retreat View Circle, where the fronts of the houses were and where he could see the numbers and identify which house was Brandy Green's.

But he would never get to Retreat View Circle. His life would end on the dog path.

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Quite plausible. There are other explanations leaving Z guilty, but that is a good one. Hoyt Jul 2013 #1
Not plausible, Soundman Jul 2013 #2
Lynching? That is exactly what bigot boy and his gun did. Hoyt Jul 2013 #3
+1 JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #18
Keep watching that 'trail'. louis-t Jul 2013 #4
Thanks for correcting my mistake, Soundman Jul 2013 #7
"These assholes always get away"; "Fucking punks" Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #9
I disagree Soundman Jul 2013 #12
Except he got out of the gun, armed, knowing police would be on their way. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #13
Again I disagree, Soundman Jul 2013 #14
"The more likely scenario here is Zimmerman saw Travon run and got out to see which way he ran" Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #36
My best guess Soundman Jul 2013 #40
If Zimmerman saw Trayvon run away, Zimmerman saw Trayvon was no longer a problem NoOneMan Jul 2013 #38
Amazing how you discount his story, which has some evidence, but stand by yours, with less evidence joeglow3 Jul 2013 #28
What evidence is there to suggest that Trayvon ambushed Zimmerman other than his own story? Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #30
The same as you have for your theory. joeglow3 Jul 2013 #46
While the state bears the ultimate burden of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #47
Based on what I have seen, there is dick for solid evidence from either side joeglow3 Jul 2013 #55
You can't even read a post and get it right. louis-t Jul 2013 #22
Pretty defensive I see, Soundman Jul 2013 #37
Ohhh, you soooo got me!1!!1 louis-t Jul 2013 #49
You are being dishonest. Soundman Jul 2013 #52
You are a waste of my time. louis-t Jul 2013 #61
Not quite, Soundman Jul 2013 #66
+1000 Vattel Jul 2013 #64
Oh, and I defy anyone to find the "bushes" louis-t Jul 2013 #25
That's me! Zimmerman is guilty and the State is doing it's best to deny this katmondoo Jul 2013 #31
Zimmerman doesn't have a "story" NoOneMan Jul 2013 #33
Why can't one remotely entertain the notion that Trayvon went back to confront Zimmerman? Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #8
Logic also dictates, Soundman Jul 2013 #16
Or you can hide out and wait until you believe the coast is clear. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #17
Logic dictates that if you're truly scared of someone, you don't go confronting them when cops are EOTE Jul 2013 #19
The gun he was carrying made him brave. louis-t Jul 2013 #24
um, GZ is no angel either NatBurner Jul 2013 #21
So, this proves Trayvon had a gun? louis-t Jul 2013 #23
Im confused how weed makes him not an angel NoOneMan Jul 2013 #26
You're conflating two different parts of the story. nyquil_man Jul 2013 #20
Do victims of lynching often get caught attempting to commit money-fraud? LanternWaste Jul 2013 #27
Why can't you entertain the notion that Zimmerman was going to rape Trayvon at gunpoint? NoOneMan Jul 2013 #35
Yeah, doulbing back with a bag of Skittles to take on the man with a gun? nt kelliekat44 Jul 2013 #44
I've wondered two things: dmr Jul 2013 #5
Why he would go all the way back up the path Lurks Often Jul 2013 #6
It's not clear where he stopped/slowed down once he reached the dog path. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #10
I agree neither of us know where Martin was on the path, Lurks Often Jul 2013 #11
Again, you're assuming he knew where he was going. louis-t Jul 2013 #50
Certainly Lurks Often Jul 2013 #51
Unless he saw the guy doing what he said he was doing and that is louis-t Jul 2013 #56
Possible Lurks Often Jul 2013 #59
That's what I think happened. yardwork Jul 2013 #15
Amen katmondoo Jul 2013 #34
I have seen hundreds of people looking for fights joeglow3 Jul 2013 #29
Fights right after they've been chased by a stranger for no known reason.... Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #32
I've seen a lot of people looking for fight myself NoOneMan Jul 2013 #39
So such a scenario as I've described would be pretty unusual and nonsensical, correct? nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #41
Of course NoOneMan Jul 2013 #42
Zooey sure gets around in that case Bodhi BloodWave Jul 2013 #43
Did you read I what I said? joeglow3 Jul 2013 #45
It's extremely unplausible, unlikely and illogical. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #48
Then you must not get out too much joeglow3 Jul 2013 #53
Did you follow them and chase them for reasons that would be unknown to them? Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #54
You just proved my point joeglow3 Jul 2013 #57
No I didn't. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #58
Because of the mere existence of person A. joeglow3 Jul 2013 #62
Go to a casino sometime. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #67
My current (totally unprovable) theory: Nevernose Jul 2013 #60
I doubt that Trayvon turned offensive. moondust Jul 2013 #63
I do not think that Zimmerman chased him down, Vattel Jul 2013 #65
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