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Pholus

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37. I am right there with you.

Mon Jul 8, 2013, 08:49 AM

Jul 2013

Back during Bush I hadn't realized we were unified only accidentally.

.1. Those of us who detested Bush's policies.
.2. Those of us who detested Republicans.

And we seem to find out that group 2 liked many of the policies just not the team colors.

Now I have had policy disagreements before but most of them boiled down to tactics. And hyperbole exists online so it never bugged me when inevitably one of the same 10 or 20 posters inevitably branded me a traitor or troll or hater or whatever.

But this NSA thing is so fundamental to my value system....to my core belief that my thoughts are my own and that nobody has a right to divine them through a wholesale data collection. After a month of passionately trying to explore and warn only to find out that many yet again hurl the same terms to marginalize yet again...but this time in the service of the simply indefensible....well I do wonder if I am in the right place too.

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Whatever side you take with regard to the NSA controversy, [View all] pnwmom Jul 2013 OP

Obama and democrats lost me with Race to the Top. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #1

Support the most liberal Dem who runs in a primary; but if you fail to vote for the Dem pnwmom Jul 2013 #2

don't even try that shit on me. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #3

So what's your magic solution? Drop out and get high? pnwmom Jul 2013 #13

People like that poster dont have solutions.. just complaints. DCBob Jul 2013 #28

oh, I woke up the day my son's school was so desperate for Race to the Top funds that they liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #44

Im sorry for your son but I dont think quiting the D party is going to help the situation. DCBob Jul 2013 #70

not good enough anymore. I will fight for my son's education even if the democrats won't. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #71

I hope we dont lose by one vote. DCBob Jul 2013 #73

You lost by more than one vote in 2010. I would love to see some liberal democrats liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #74

If you believe that our salvation lies in the ballot box, then Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #60

not so much salvation.. but survival. DCBob Jul 2013 #68

When personal concerns govern ones decisions regarding societal concerns siligut Jul 2013 #69

You can call it anything you want. When a mother witnesses her son coming home everyday liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #72

Your son deserves to be appreciated for the wonderful child that he is siligut Jul 2013 #76

Forgive the obvious questions, but thucythucy Jul 2013 #79

What is society if not the mulititudes of the people? All of the things we aim to change are Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #75

+1 leftstreet Jul 2013 #85

So your saying Hillary would have not been so right wing hardcore? AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #7

What did I say about Hillary? I'm talking about Congress. pnwmom Jul 2013 #14

Ah, so that explains all of the GOP policies and appointments AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #41

Compromise is going to produce appts. and laws which fully satisfy neither side, pnwmom Jul 2013 #50

What compromise? AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #55

Are you not aware that even Cabinet members have to be approved pnwmom Jul 2013 #65

So why should he even bother nominating Democrats, right? AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #78

No, he should nominate the most progressive candidates for whom pnwmom Jul 2013 #80

We gave him DeFazio, who he chides, Merkely, who he ignores and Wyden who gets lied to Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #42

How many progressive Dems do we need to get uniformly progressive policies? pnwmom Jul 2013 #51

Balogna AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #61

Wrong. Executive orders can only be used in limited circumstances. pnwmom Jul 2013 #81

We always support the most Liberal Dem in the primaries, and then we watch sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #64

I appreciate what you're saying ... Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #4

Sad Sherman A1 Jul 2013 #17

From what I have seen lately, I have to agree AnnieK401 Jul 2013 #18

Wow! Let it all hang out at 4AM. But, whilst I tend to agree with you... TreasonousBastard Jul 2013 #19

Well, I will have to remember "din of their own stupidity" Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #30

Yes, I saw your post in another thread recently Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #101

I actually used to respect you. Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #102

You're right. And they really don't care about the NSA treestar Jul 2013 #39

Is that what you tell yourself burnodo Jul 2013 #104

No I feel fine treestar Jul 2013 #106

+1. Well said. n/t FSogol Jul 2013 #46

Those who declare they won't vote are of no interest to MineralMan Jul 2013 #63

While what you say is true, as I stated before the fallout will be a long time coming, for both silvershadow Jul 2013 #5

That's the problem according to some. There appears to be an assumption out patrice Jul 2013 #6

not me. I firmly believe in non violent movements. If Martin Luther King Jr and Gandhi can do it, I liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #8

I made a case for a much more un-remittingly and fully honest and aware and unceasingly active patrice Jul 2013 #9

This is what Ralph Nader thought in 2000; that letting Bush come in and do his stuff pnwmom Jul 2013 #15

There is inherent in that position a nearly complete disregard for the sum-total of all patrice Jul 2013 #77

We're out of our weight class..... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #10

Excellent. Yes, we are indeed out of our weight class. (nt) scarletwoman Jul 2013 #26

Sadly, President Obama actively suppresses progressive goals Taft_Bathtub Jul 2013 #11

F unny, both my senators and my rep are lib Dems and all oppose Obama on chained CPI MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #12

There aren't enough of them in other states and in other districts in your state. nt pnwmom Jul 2013 #16

Except I can't VOTE for them in other states. So these dramatic blanket statements are wasted MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #59

spare me the lectures DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #23

Such a simple and obvious truth and yet you still get a hard time around here... TreasonousBastard Jul 2013 #20

How do you explain the first two years of President Obama's first term? geckosfeet Jul 2013 #21

Really? Then why do the D's in Washington keep undermining their own support? Scuba Jul 2013 #22

Yep, we need a new Senate Majority leader besides Reid to avoid living in excuses... cascadiance Jul 2013 #29

We need to wait for a more liberal christx30 Jul 2013 #24

You have it backwards. President Obama needs to spport the liberals we already have in Congress. canoeist52 Jul 2013 #25

Ding ding ding!!! We have a winner! peacebird Jul 2013 #27

95% democratic party STRONGLY supports the President and Hillary Clinton. graham4anything Jul 2013 #32

You have to support your assertions, you would if you could. You can't. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #45

President Obama is the 44th and Hillary is the 45th. graham4anything Jul 2013 #47

Absolutely, the snubbing of our Democrats in Congress is half the problem. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #43

True, but the president is not a liberal. And neither is HRC... polichick Jul 2013 #52

Then it might be wise to quit beating up on liberals who are insufficiently centrist Fumesucker Jul 2013 #31

I am right there with you. Pholus Jul 2013 #37

PBO pretty much supports how the NSA operates michigandem58 Jul 2013 #33

This is not true; he had an open mind on the subject treestar Jul 2013 #38

Lulz. Nothing will change vis-a-vis the gov't's illegal actions even if the TransitJohn Jul 2013 #34

You want my vote? 99Forever Jul 2013 #35

Massive domestic surveillance *is* Obama's goal whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #36

Thanks pnwmom for trying to bring sanity back to DU, to get back to Democratic values. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #40

the illogic in this post is so intense, it burns.... mike_c Jul 2013 #48

Obama has loosened the security state compared to Bush, who was doing wireless wiretapping. pnwmom Jul 2013 #54

your faith in Big Brother is doubleplus touching.... mike_c Jul 2013 #56

K&R nt Zorra Jul 2013 #49

Sounds like something the Democratic Party might want to do something about, doesn't it? Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #53

Goldman Sachs already has the majority in the house. L0oniX Jul 2013 #57

pretty sure we had that in 2013 allin99 Jul 2013 #58

We're going to get more of the same regardless. Bake Jul 2013 #62

Republican redistricting has made some districts MORE progressive. Let's have REAL progressives... cascadiance Jul 2013 #66

This makes sense. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #67

Congratulations on almost losing my vote for the (D)s Hydra Jul 2013 #82

Why would a post from some annonymous person on a discussion board affect your vote?? DCBob Jul 2013 #84

Because it's a reminder Hydra Jul 2013 #86

I think its an excuse... DCBob Jul 2013 #87

Many of us regard life as George Carlin did. He was optimistic when it came to his own liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #88

You want to talk pessimism?? DCBob Jul 2013 #89

Obama may be smart but he has been bought off by the rich just like all the rest have. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #90

You do realize he's not running for reelection and.. DCBob Jul 2013 #91

if money wasn't an issue we'd have single payer healthcare, we wouldn't be liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #92

I didnt say money wasnt an issue. DCBob Jul 2013 #93

correct me if I'm wrong but I think what you are saying is that he has enough money and is not liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #94

Correct.. I do not believe money is what is driving President Obama. DCBob Jul 2013 #95

well on that we will have to disagree. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #100

Threatening to not vote is like a terrorist threatening to kill himself. DCBob Jul 2013 #108

my vote is my vote. It is sacred and no one I mean no one can tell me who to vote for. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #109

Im not telling you who to vote for.. DCBob Jul 2013 #110

"Scratch the surface of a cynic, and you find a disappointed idealist" Hydra Jul 2013 #96

Good luck with finding your idealism.. DCBob Jul 2013 #107

I think many here dont care anymore. DCBob Jul 2013 #83

well I will give you points for not saying chess Skittles Jul 2013 #99

I think Obama and Feinstein have damaged the Democratic party TriplD Jul 2013 #97

We need progressive Democrats. We don't need any more neoliberals or neocons. reusrename Jul 2013 #98

seems to me we had this majority in 2008 burnodo Jul 2013 #103

we can expect more of the same either way..... bowens43 Jul 2013 #105