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33. See the article I posted at the link?

Thu Jul 4, 2013, 05:50 PM

Jul 2013

It says specifically that "French officials denied Wednesday that France refused to let the plane cross over its airspace"

A quick search of google news and you can see this reported by various news sources:

http://www.google.com/#q=%22france+denies%22&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ei=8uzVUdjuC8zU0gGjq4C4Cw&ved=0CAoQ_AUoBA&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.48705608,d.dmQ&fp=404b96c0abfbc4df&biw=1280&bih=709

Then there is also a report of the French apologizing. Actually this contradiction was already discussed in this DU post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023167065

Also....this article discusses the fact that every country involved said their airspace was not denied:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/07/tale-re-routed-bolivian-presidents-plane-falling-apart/66838/

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It was the US AMBASSADOR to Austria who called the FM to say Snowden was on Pres Morales' plane [View all] Catherina Jul 2013 OP

But Catherina, America is never wrong about anything! Rex Jul 2013 #1

Lol. Nothing like smearing egg all over your face and pretendnig it's not egg Catherina Jul 2013 #5

Do you think this is why he was denied airspace? Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #51

But Rex, remember when America used to be wrong about everything when Bush was sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #49

bookmarking. I am silvershadow Jul 2013 #2

bookmark this too. There was no inspection. His refusal to budge on that is why he had to sit 13 hrs Catherina Jul 2013 #10

That may well be, but doesn't distract me at all from the fact that we apparently had a hand in it silvershadow Jul 2013 #13

Absolutely! Catherina Jul 2013 #20

I appreciate your attempts to keep us informed. truedelphi Jul 2013 #68

'I am not some sort of delinquent, whereby you can take control of the plane.' Octafish Jul 2013 #36

How did Austria verify passports without knowing how many people were on the plane? -- n/t mazzarro Jul 2013 #61

I hope the Spanish ambassador got the bum's rush mitchtv Jul 2013 #83

So am I! nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #54

gee. I'm shocked. cali Jul 2013 #3

Hi Cali! Catherina Jul 2013 #11

I'm gonna post this here: Hissyspit Jul 2013 #60

Oops! malaise Jul 2013 #4

So according to this article the call to Austria came after the jet had already landed. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #6

and " referred to a diplomatic note requesting Snowden's extradition." Catherina Jul 2013 #12

Thanks for posting /nt think Jul 2013 #7

Ineffectual comes to mind. GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #8

...another Prosense thread? Earth_First Jul 2013 #14

funny..nt xiamiam Jul 2013 #16

No, ProSense Jul 2013 #19

Is that a link I see? East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #23

It changes colors after you click on it. jazzimov Jul 2013 #44

Care to name something I've pulled out of my ass? East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #46

East Coast Pirate, Jr.? jberryhill Jul 2013 #59

Hey, if you can pretend to be a lawyer, I can pretend to be a pirate. East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #63

Lol jberryhill Jul 2013 #81

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author Puglover Jul 2013 #94

Yeah. Another rerun. nt Pholus Jul 2013 #103

Duzy!!!!!!!!!!!!! dixiegrrrrl Jul 2013 #41

It would have violated International Laws, Treaties, Immunities etc IF they had tried to get him sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #53

When did the Brits threaten to invade the Ecuadoran embassy? nt okaawhatever Jul 2013 #64

August 16, 2012 was when Forbes reported it Fumesucker Jul 2013 #82

Britain "rules the waves" or "waives the rules?" Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #101

After Julian Assange went there. Fortunately there were smarter people around who prevented that sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #84

I remember it, as do so many others, of course. It made them look like assholes. Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #85

Seems odd that Morales would have used his own jet. sibelian Jul 2013 #98

Thanks for the repost, Catherina. sibelian Jul 2013 #9

billions upon billions spent in spying and surveillance and their most wanted man makes them look xiamiam Jul 2013 #15

That struck me, to! Couldn't ascertain who got on a plane? Jesus. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #102

knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #17

no. no, i've been assured this was the sponataneous decision of some EU agency.. frylock Jul 2013 #18

EU Agency in this case means American Embassy based in the EU I guess.... nt silvershadow Jul 2013 #21

According to a RW Austrian paper Recursion Jul 2013 #22

Any quotes from govt officials? Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #28

That's my point. This is run by a RW Catholic daily and nowhere else Recursion Jul 2013 #69

The only reason to disregard it is if that paper has something to gain from falsification... sibelian Jul 2013 #100

Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Jul 2013 #24

You're gonna need a better source or an additional source Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #25

I think what you are smelling comes from your many posts on the Morales issue... PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #29

See the article I posted at the link? Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #33

And you made your OP after the French Foreign Minister had already made the PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #35

And yet the French still say their airspace was never denied. Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #37

No, they don't. Again, the French Foreign minister apologized.. PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #39

It's like watching Lamb Chop & Friends singing The Song That Doesn't End. idwiyo Jul 2013 #48

It's the leading newspaper in Austria. Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #32

Not a US corporate source. I'm just looking for additional sources and quotes from govt officials Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #34

What you are attacked for is quoting anonymous sources you seem to agree with PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #38

Philippe Lalliot, spokesman for the French foreign ministry, Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #40

Actually, no that's not what he said... PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #42

Timing WovenGems Jul 2013 #96

Exactly. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #97

Oh ya. Don't want to jump to conclusions. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #65

Actually many sources reported French denial Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #66

It's a RW paper owned by the Catholic church (nt) Recursion Jul 2013 #79

Bullshit here, bullshit there. Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Jul 2013 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #56

If you are watching the Corporate media, you won't see it there. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #86

Yes, just like certain images of "flight paths" we could discuss. nt Pholus Jul 2013 #104

no surprise Chaco Dundee Jul 2013 #26

Yes. There's no mystery as to who ordered this. n/t DirkGently Jul 2013 #27

Good catch, again, Catherina. Thank you for this. n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #30

Now there's an ambassador who deserves to be recalled magellan Jul 2013 #31

He didn't do this on his own. Even if he could have, or did, what explains the other countries? n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #43

I don't believe he did it on his own magellan Jul 2013 #47

Exactly! What a mess n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #50

Don't these types of communiques JimDandy Jul 2013 #70

I would imagine so. State oversees our diplomats. magellan Jul 2013 #71

Indeed. Perhaps a fall on his sword JimDandy Jul 2013 #73

Tragically, I don't think they give a damn anymore magellan Jul 2013 #74

Ummmm the ambassador was told to make that phone call Marrah_G Jul 2013 #92

I acknowledge that below. n/t magellan Jul 2013 #110

Boom goes the dynamite... truebluegreen Jul 2013 #45

Thank you for posting, Catherina...indeed. +1 eom Purveyor Jul 2013 #57

One wonders why we aren't hearing a blow by blow in the American press. dkf Jul 2013 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author Catherina Jul 2013 #62

So the world's worst rouge demands everyone else follow laws..... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #67

We knew this would be the case MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #72

I was surprised that US State Department didn't come right out and Explain This KoKo Jul 2013 #75

This is printed in a RW Catholic-church-owned daily and nobody else is running with it Recursion Jul 2013 #78

That explains it, they have no credibility flamingdem Jul 2013 #87

I have already posted confirmation independent of Die Presse that a call took place. Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #88

Well, isn't that special?! nt City Lights Jul 2013 #76

I thought it was all grandstanding Savannahmann Jul 2013 #77

What I wouldn't give for a little idea.... sgtbenobo Jul 2013 #80

Kicked and Recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2013 #90

I guess the NSA got their lines crossed! WinkyDink Jul 2013 #91

Thanks for the thread! byeya Jul 2013 #93

It still doesn't explain two things davidpdx Jul 2013 #95

From the CIA probably or could have been the State Department. Cleita Jul 2013 #99

Did his name HAVE to be "Echo"? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #105

Yes, I see the hand of Divine Providence in this carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #107

If there were any doubt caseymoz Jul 2013 #106

Former chief of Austrian security agency Polli claims: it was the Russians temmer Jul 2013 #108

Thanks Catherina LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #109

This is getting to be such a disaster Doctor_J Jul 2013 #111

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #112

K&R. (nt) Kurovski Jul 2013 #113

Hey DU, we did good! A few discreet tweets here and there & RT_Spanish has picked this up Catherina Jul 2013 #114