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It was the US AMBASSADOR to Austria who called the FM to say Snowden was on Pres Morales' plane [View all]

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I'm posting this on request and also because too many people are pretending not to understand why Latin American leaders are pointing their fingers at the US. I'm sure more information will come out later which explains the State Department's tap-dancing about this. I can't wait to see today's briefing.

Related thread: White House Dares EU Leaders to Rat On United States in Morales Flyover Affair

US Requested that Vienna Extradite Snowden

03.07.2013 | 21:28 | HELMAR DUMBS UND CHRISTIAN ULTSCH (Die Presse)

Bolivian President Morales was forced to land in Vienna. NSA whistleblower Snowden was suspected to be on his jet. In a telephone conversation with the Foreign Office, the U.S. ambassador demanded they extradite him.

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Here's the crucial section:

Sie landete gegen 23 Uhr. Kurz danach ging im Wiener Außenamt ein dringlicher Anruf ein. Am anderen Ende der Leitung: US-Botschafter William Eacho. Wie "Die Presse" erfuhr, behauptete er mit großer Bestimmtheit, dass Edward Snowden an Bord sei, der von den USA gesuchte Aufdecker jüngster Abhörskandale. Eacho habe auf eine diplomatische Note verwiesen, in der die USA die Auslieferung Snowdens verlangten.

Translated:

It landed about 11 pm. Shortly after that, the Vienna foreign department received a phone call. The caller was the US ambassador William Echo. "Die Presse" learned that he claimed with strong firmness that Edward Snowden was onboard, the whistleblower of the recent surveillance scandals. Eacho referred to a diplomatic note requesting Snowden's extradition.

http://diepresse.com/home/politik/aussenpolitik/1426275/USA-verlangten-von-Wien-Snowdens-Auslieferung?_vl_backlink=/home/politik/aussenpolitik/1416110/index.do&direct=1416110

Thanks to Temmer for the translation

Update:

Meanwhile in Vienna, Defence Minister Saavedra pointed an accusatory finger at Washington. “We want to declare very firmly that it was an American story that Edward Snowden was on this flight,” he said from the airport lounge.

http://www.france24.com/en/20130703-bolivia-president-evo-morales-airplane-rerouted-vienna-snowden

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It was the US AMBASSADOR to Austria who called the FM to say Snowden was on Pres Morales' plane [View all] Catherina Jul 2013 OP

But Catherina, America is never wrong about anything! Rex Jul 2013 #1

Lol. Nothing like smearing egg all over your face and pretendnig it's not egg Catherina Jul 2013 #5

Do you think this is why he was denied airspace? Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #51

But Rex, remember when America used to be wrong about everything when Bush was sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #49

bookmarking. I am silvershadow Jul 2013 #2

bookmark this too. There was no inspection. His refusal to budge on that is why he had to sit 13 hrs Catherina Jul 2013 #10

That may well be, but doesn't distract me at all from the fact that we apparently had a hand in it silvershadow Jul 2013 #13

Absolutely! Catherina Jul 2013 #20

I appreciate your attempts to keep us informed. truedelphi Jul 2013 #68

'I am not some sort of delinquent, whereby you can take control of the plane.' Octafish Jul 2013 #36

How did Austria verify passports without knowing how many people were on the plane? -- n/t mazzarro Jul 2013 #61

I hope the Spanish ambassador got the bum's rush mitchtv Jul 2013 #83

So am I! nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #54

gee. I'm shocked. cali Jul 2013 #3

Hi Cali! Catherina Jul 2013 #11

I'm gonna post this here: Hissyspit Jul 2013 #60

Oops! malaise Jul 2013 #4

So according to this article the call to Austria came after the jet had already landed. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #6

and " referred to a diplomatic note requesting Snowden's extradition." Catherina Jul 2013 #12

Thanks for posting /nt think Jul 2013 #7

Ineffectual comes to mind. GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #8

...another Prosense thread? Earth_First Jul 2013 #14

funny..nt xiamiam Jul 2013 #16

No, ProSense Jul 2013 #19

Is that a link I see? East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #23

It changes colors after you click on it. jazzimov Jul 2013 #44

Care to name something I've pulled out of my ass? East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #46

East Coast Pirate, Jr.? jberryhill Jul 2013 #59

Hey, if you can pretend to be a lawyer, I can pretend to be a pirate. East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #63

Lol jberryhill Jul 2013 #81

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author Puglover Jul 2013 #94

Yeah. Another rerun. nt Pholus Jul 2013 #103

Duzy!!!!!!!!!!!!! dixiegrrrrl Jul 2013 #41

It would have violated International Laws, Treaties, Immunities etc IF they had tried to get him sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #53

When did the Brits threaten to invade the Ecuadoran embassy? nt okaawhatever Jul 2013 #64

August 16, 2012 was when Forbes reported it Fumesucker Jul 2013 #82

Britain "rules the waves" or "waives the rules?" Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #101

After Julian Assange went there. Fortunately there were smarter people around who prevented that sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #84

I remember it, as do so many others, of course. It made them look like assholes. Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #85

Seems odd that Morales would have used his own jet. sibelian Jul 2013 #98

Thanks for the repost, Catherina. sibelian Jul 2013 #9

billions upon billions spent in spying and surveillance and their most wanted man makes them look xiamiam Jul 2013 #15

That struck me, to! Couldn't ascertain who got on a plane? Jesus. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #102

knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #17

no. no, i've been assured this was the sponataneous decision of some EU agency.. frylock Jul 2013 #18

EU Agency in this case means American Embassy based in the EU I guess.... nt silvershadow Jul 2013 #21

According to a RW Austrian paper Recursion Jul 2013 #22

Any quotes from govt officials? Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #28

That's my point. This is run by a RW Catholic daily and nowhere else Recursion Jul 2013 #69

The only reason to disregard it is if that paper has something to gain from falsification... sibelian Jul 2013 #100

Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Jul 2013 #24

You're gonna need a better source or an additional source Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #25

I think what you are smelling comes from your many posts on the Morales issue... PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #29

See the article I posted at the link? Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #33

And you made your OP after the French Foreign Minister had already made the PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #35

And yet the French still say their airspace was never denied. Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #37

No, they don't. Again, the French Foreign minister apologized.. PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #39

It's like watching Lamb Chop & Friends singing The Song That Doesn't End. idwiyo Jul 2013 #48

It's the leading newspaper in Austria. Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #32

Not a US corporate source. I'm just looking for additional sources and quotes from govt officials Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #34

What you are attacked for is quoting anonymous sources you seem to agree with PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #38

Philippe Lalliot, spokesman for the French foreign ministry, Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #40

Actually, no that's not what he said... PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #42

Timing WovenGems Jul 2013 #96

Exactly. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #97

Oh ya. Don't want to jump to conclusions. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #65

Actually many sources reported French denial Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #66

It's a RW paper owned by the Catholic church (nt) Recursion Jul 2013 #79

Bullshit here, bullshit there. Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Jul 2013 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #56

If you are watching the Corporate media, you won't see it there. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #86

Yes, just like certain images of "flight paths" we could discuss. nt Pholus Jul 2013 #104

no surprise Chaco Dundee Jul 2013 #26

Yes. There's no mystery as to who ordered this. n/t DirkGently Jul 2013 #27

Good catch, again, Catherina. Thank you for this. n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #30

Now there's an ambassador who deserves to be recalled magellan Jul 2013 #31

He didn't do this on his own. Even if he could have, or did, what explains the other countries? n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #43

I don't believe he did it on his own magellan Jul 2013 #47

Exactly! What a mess n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #50

Don't these types of communiques JimDandy Jul 2013 #70

I would imagine so. State oversees our diplomats. magellan Jul 2013 #71

Indeed. Perhaps a fall on his sword JimDandy Jul 2013 #73

Tragically, I don't think they give a damn anymore magellan Jul 2013 #74

Ummmm the ambassador was told to make that phone call Marrah_G Jul 2013 #92

I acknowledge that below. n/t magellan Jul 2013 #110

Boom goes the dynamite... truebluegreen Jul 2013 #45

Thank you for posting, Catherina...indeed. +1 eom Purveyor Jul 2013 #57

One wonders why we aren't hearing a blow by blow in the American press. dkf Jul 2013 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author Catherina Jul 2013 #62

So the world's worst rouge demands everyone else follow laws..... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #67

We knew this would be the case MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #72

I was surprised that US State Department didn't come right out and Explain This KoKo Jul 2013 #75

This is printed in a RW Catholic-church-owned daily and nobody else is running with it Recursion Jul 2013 #78

That explains it, they have no credibility flamingdem Jul 2013 #87

I have already posted confirmation independent of Die Presse that a call took place. Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #88

Well, isn't that special?! nt City Lights Jul 2013 #76

I thought it was all grandstanding Savannahmann Jul 2013 #77

What I wouldn't give for a little idea.... sgtbenobo Jul 2013 #80

Kicked and Recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2013 #90

I guess the NSA got their lines crossed! WinkyDink Jul 2013 #91

Thanks for the thread! byeya Jul 2013 #93

It still doesn't explain two things davidpdx Jul 2013 #95

From the CIA probably or could have been the State Department. Cleita Jul 2013 #99

Did his name HAVE to be "Echo"? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #105

Yes, I see the hand of Divine Providence in this carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #107

If there were any doubt caseymoz Jul 2013 #106

Former chief of Austrian security agency Polli claims: it was the Russians temmer Jul 2013 #108

Thanks Catherina LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #109

This is getting to be such a disaster Doctor_J Jul 2013 #111

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #112

K&R. (nt) Kurovski Jul 2013 #113

Hey DU, we did good! A few discreet tweets here and there & RT_Spanish has picked this up Catherina Jul 2013 #114