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259. Nope. The new constitution hasn't been voted on yet so everything's in limbo

Sat Apr 6, 2013, 11:14 PM

Apr 2013

And the Islamists are putting hard core pressure on the transitional government to enact draconian anti-women measures into the new constitution.

The drafting committee actually suspended a vote on the constitution for 6 months back in October which has only served to ramp up the social chaos.

Tunisia's Islamist party Ennahda won the interim elections and picked a hardliner Islamist minister to shepherd the final draft with enormous pressure from the Salafi Gulf States.

This is a severely shorthand version of what's happening in Tunisia to give some context to Amina's protest. I hope you know all this already because your ignorance seems pretty scary.

Her action's taking place in the midst of huge social upheaval as Islamist forces with enormous influence are working overtime to deprive women of their rights in this country. Now. As we speak. Women in Tunisia can't afford to wait for "proper" protests. Its imperative they get their message out asap. Amina's action was part of that.

Whatever Tunisia was in the past is NOTHING like what it is today.

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Poll: Do you support Amina's goal to prevent anti-women Sharia laws from being adopted in Tunisia? [View all] stevenleser Apr 2013 OP

I support her goal, but I am uncertain that her tactic is the best way to do it. ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #1

+1 nomorenomore08 Apr 2013 #127

But that's exactly what she's saying -- that the powers-that-be shouldn't be able to tell HER pnwmom Apr 2013 #278

I think she may be effective alive than dead. ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #288

Shouldn't there be a third choice for those who support her goals, if not necessarily hlthe2b Apr 2013 #2

I understand your opinion, but I really want to know where people stand given those two choices. stevenleser Apr 2013 #3

that's like republicans saying you supported Saddam if you opposed war JI7 Apr 2013 #5

I don't see it that way. I didnt ask if you supporter her tactics. I asked if you supporter her goal stevenleser Apr 2013 #7

Then why do your graphics emphasize her "tactics"? pscot Apr 2013 #10

I post an article explaining the problem and that is 80% of my OP but all you see is boobs? stevenleser Apr 2013 #13

You hung 'em out there pscot Apr 2013 #15

So boobs are like a red cape for some people and posters are the matadors? No matter what else is stevenleser Apr 2013 #17

If they weren't, you wouldn't have put them pscot Apr 2013 #27

You are projecting. Most people on DU dont lose their heads when confronted by boobs. They can read stevenleser Apr 2013 #33

It's like when republicans bring up beastiality whenever they talk about homosexuality. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #188

There is a slut-shaming quality to the objections against Amina and Femen stevenleser Apr 2013 #254

Boobs was mentioned in one of your poll choices JI7 Apr 2013 #16

No, I posted a lot of other material as well. You just focus on the boobs. stevenleser Apr 2013 #18

yeah, and people have said they support the goals but maybe not the tactics JI7 Apr 2013 #19

i guess i supported War anytime i criticized Code Pink JI7 Apr 2013 #14

you didn't participate in the poll snooper2 Apr 2013 #183

i usually don't participate in polls JI7 Apr 2013 #277

Thanks for adding some badly needed context to the discussion. pnwmom Apr 2013 #279

yeah, i have criticized code pink and some other liberal groups here JI7 Apr 2013 #4

of course there should- as this was exactly what a large portion of DUers have clearly stated. bettyellen Apr 2013 #100

You're saying that 70 DUers have now voted to support "bullshit flamebait" ? stevenleser Apr 2013 #223

From a Tunisian pro democracy activist: sufrommich Apr 2013 #6

"Protesting an exaggerated statement through a provocative action is wrong." stevenleser Apr 2013 #9

TUnisia protests have been similar to what you linked to, that is not what the person was referring JI7 Apr 2013 #12

it's not just the Muslim world, Women here are not taking off their top to oppose all those JI7 Apr 2013 #11

"Some women here", "some women in Europe". The operative word is SOME. idwiyo Apr 2013 #38

i'm referring to facts, MOST have not protested by taking off their clothes and yelling "fuck the JI7 Apr 2013 #39

Do you know how "most" of them think? Who elected you a spokesperson for the "most" idwiyo Apr 2013 #52

yeah, just like the teabagger rallies which had 10 or fewer people attending JI7 Apr 2013 #53

Right. Naked women protesting for equality is equivalent of teabaggers rallies. Because YOU idwiyo Apr 2013 #57

which teabaggers protested naked ? my comment referred to turnout of protestors and amount of JI7 Apr 2013 #64

You brought teabaggers in, not me. BTW, how many supporters did you mange to gather idwiyo Apr 2013 #70

what a strange post JI7 Apr 2013 #72

What's strange is you bringing naked boobies into almost every post. And making a lot of idwiyo Apr 2013 #75

i brought up Code Pink also, why don't you ask why i take issue with Code pink JI7 Apr 2013 #80

FEMEN seems to be highly effective. For example you can't stop taking about them. :) idwiyo Apr 2013 #284

if their goal is to get me to talk about them, which is a pretty pathetic goal JI7 Apr 2013 #285

Doubt you are anywhere on their radar but you sure cant stop talking about them. And nudity. idwiyo Apr 2013 #286

I know most women don't support FEMEN because few women have joined femen's protests, HiPointDem Apr 2013 #186

I support the African women standing up to multinationals, but I polly7 Apr 2013 #322

The heckler's veto? Really? Shut up or the idiots will be mad? DirkGently Apr 2013 #26

Said it before, I will say it again. Amina and Femen's detractors don't listen to themselves. stevenleser Apr 2013 #29

Whoever is provoked by a picture like this ... needs provoking. DirkGently Apr 2013 #36

I agree. That is the point of provoking. To make people think and question authority. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #42

+1. n/t pnwmom Apr 2013 #280

Translation: SFU because I don't like what you did. Oh, and BOOBIES!!! WRONG!!! idwiyo Apr 2013 #32

Presicely. Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #98

I am seriously concerned for said people. I wonder if its like an extreme case of phobia? idwiyo Apr 2013 #116

From a GUY named Youssef, you mean..... MADem Apr 2013 #162

Heh.. nice catch. opiate69 Apr 2013 #168

This is what makes me wonder if FEMEN aren't provocateurs whose goal *is* to promote backlash, HiPointDem Apr 2013 #173

Thanks for posting the mansplaining. Why did you think this man had any authority? nt msanthrope Apr 2013 #329

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The answer is up thread. This odd focus on blurred out boobs and ignoring the rest of my OP stevenleser Apr 2013 #20

first response "i support her goal" but questioned the tactic JI7 Apr 2013 #23

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no it's not, women go topless at beaches around the world everyday, i'm not condemning them JI7 Apr 2013 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #37

so it is okay to go topless for entertainment but not to make a political statement? liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #60

how doesn't it make sense ? with political statements there is a goal to get change JI7 Apr 2013 #73

"I would want it" - the it is, right there. My way or no way. Are you pro-choice? idwiyo Apr 2013 #81

since when does being pro choice mean you can't have opinions ? JI7 Apr 2013 #85

Pro-choice means Her Body, Her Choice. PERIOD. Your opinion on what should and shouldn't idwiyo Apr 2013 #93

i would prefer not to see naked guys at a lot of places either, and i criticized Duggars for having JI7 Apr 2013 #95

And? idwiyo Apr 2013 #99

so i like to have opinions JI7 Apr 2013 #103

How is showing your breasts to protest being forced to cover your entire body ineffective? liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #84

they don't just do that they say anti islam statements also JI7 Apr 2013 #88

Have you ever been to a gay rally? Some gays are very overtly sexual and even go naked during gay liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #90

most gays don't get naked and that's not how gay rights have been gained JI7 Apr 2013 #92

I have been to gay rallies and yes there are gays that get naked. I did not say all or even most, liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #102

i never said it was shameful , i never said wearing pink was shameful either JI7 Apr 2013 #105

The reason they are getting naked is because it is the Sharia law that wants to force them liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #113

there is no shariah law in Europe JI7 Apr 2013 #120

The woman who started this is from Tunisia. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #125

there's no sharia law in tunisia, either, and hasn't been for about 60 years. Tunisian women HiPointDem Apr 2013 #201

Amina. Tunisia. Muslim country. Conservatives. Want Sharia law. Amina protests. FEMEN idwiyo Apr 2013 #126

so wouldn't it be more effective to go to Tunisia ? JI7 Apr 2013 #129

Well, if you think it would why don't you do just that? What is it with constant desire to tell idwiyo Apr 2013 #289

ok, send me money for a ticket and place to stay while i'm there JI7 Apr 2013 #291

Please, contact Skinner for permission to start donation thread. I will gladly donate and I am sure idwiyo Apr 2013 #293

she hasn't disappeared. at least not according to her female lawyer, an internationally-known HiPointDem Apr 2013 #205

You can take "her" lawyer's word. I'll wait till I hear from Amina herself. idwiyo Apr 2013 #287

you do that little thing. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #298

So, all that you have is a word of her lawyer. You don't even now if her lawyer actually idwiyo Apr 2013 #301

I think it is more they have issues about showing off their bodies. kwassa Apr 2013 #132

Less effective? A dozen or so threads in DU with hundreds of responses? Worldwide attention? stevenleser Apr 2013 #139

DU threads are not a sign of effective protest, on DU many threads pop up when Palin JI7 Apr 2013 #143

By all means, ignore the fact that I noted there is worldwide attention. Selectively stevenleser Apr 2013 #148

But why worldwide attention? Naked boobies! No other reason. Look at the boobies!!! kwassa Apr 2013 #151

LOL, oh by all means, tell all protesters who might offend or be in your face they need to tone it stevenleser Apr 2013 #160

Having been to several Gay Day parades...... kwassa Apr 2013 #169

They aren't interested in changing the minds of Sharia supporters--their minds will never be changed MADem Apr 2013 #172

How does "Fuck Your Morals" raise anyone's awareness of anything? kwassa Apr 2013 #177

I hear "Fuck your morals" posted against conservative Christianity on this board all liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #179

Show me a link to that assertion. kwassa Apr 2013 #187

then this shouldn't be a problem with you. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #191

It is not about being nude. It has never been about being nude. kwassa Apr 2013 #195

When you are being told you must cover you body then yes nudity is a very good form of protest. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #197

They don't have to cover their bodies in Tunisia. This has been pointed out repeatedly. kwassa Apr 2013 #204

... opiate69 Apr 2013 #212

Is Sharia the current law of Tunisia? No. kwassa Apr 2013 #224

Well.. opiate69 Apr 2013 #233

So the time to object is AFTER the constitution is ratified??!! Really??! riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #262

YET. And that YET has been pointed out to you repeatedly. stevenleser Apr 2013 #218

It is a statement of utter contempt for a system of laws that keep women barefoot, pregnant, MADem Apr 2013 #202

the only people making it about boobs are the ones against it. The ones who support it liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #175

You are so wrong. They are simply showing their boobs to get media attention, kwassa Apr 2013 #180

What do you think going to change minds of Sharia supporters? Do tell! idwiyo Apr 2013 #295

I disagree. I think it is very effective and I think the people objecting are the ones with the liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #176

Femen is a freak sideshow. kwassa Apr 2013 #182

so what? Young people enjoy their sexuality. I did when I was young. My daughter is young and she liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #192

What does enjoying sexuality have to do with protesting Vladmir Putin? kwassa Apr 2013 #198

You were the one who said they were young and cut and like to show off their bodies. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #217

No, they are specifically protesting against Vladmir Putin. kwassa Apr 2013 #219

I have better things to do. It's date night with my husband. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #229

I knew you couldn't rebut. kwassa Apr 2013 #230

Ahh, finally! You have a problem with FEMEN because "they are virtually all young and cute, idwiyo Apr 2013 #296

You just can't stop talking about their bodies. It's that nekkidness thing again, isn't it? idwiyo Apr 2013 #292

You are the one obsessed with nakedness. kwassa Apr 2013 #330

looks like its VERY effective. You can@t stop talking about it. :) idwiyo Apr 2013 #331

Amina is tunisian. Tunisian women don't have to cover their entire bodies. They don't have to HiPointDem Apr 2013 #196

Yet. Being the key word, and all.. opiate69 Apr 2013 #208

Yes, there's a movement underway. It's funded by US allies. Maybe protesting *them* would HiPointDem Apr 2013 #209

Easy for you and I to say, sitting here in the U.S.. opiate69 Apr 2013 #214

easy for FEMEN, who's not in tunisia. and the 'revolution' was supposedly for democracy, n'est pas? HiPointDem Apr 2013 #235

So democracy is fine, even if it results in (admittedly worst case theoreticizing) another Taliban? opiate69 Apr 2013 #240

lol. it's clear from these threads that awareness has not been raised much, since most of the HiPointDem Apr 2013 #244

Can't say as I saw that thread... but I knew Tunisia wasn't a Sharia nation.. opiate69 Apr 2013 #253

You actually believe Amina's protest was fake and was designed to help the fundies? idwiyo Apr 2013 #258

There have been a slew of theads about the Islamist influence in the Arab Spring riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #264

you don't know that it's *nothing* like that today. in fact tunisian women have not been silenced, HiPointDem Apr 2013 #272

I support ALL Tunisia feminist protest actions! You clearly do not. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #275

lol. You haven't *heard* anything about these protest actions, it's all boobies here at DU. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #276

Wow! Brave women! smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #308

Wow! Brave women! smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #310

true, you educated her most ardent supporters at DU . Boy did they not appreciate that! bettyellen Apr 2013 #267

Women didn't have to cover their entire bodies or heads in Iran in 1978.They did in 1979, though. nt MADem Apr 2013 #211

yes, they did. and as they chose the ayatollah for their leader, that was what they chose. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #239

I beg to differ--I left Iran in 1979. Very few wore chadors or even hijab in the larger cities. MADem Apr 2013 #265

I was actually dating an iranian student involved in the protests during the revolution, so i'm not HiPointDem Apr 2013 #269

I left AFTER Khomeini arrived home. I saw the Shah leave with his little cask of dirt MADem Apr 2013 #273

so what? the fact is that khomeni was initially very popular & a symbol of the rev. i don't know HiPointDem Apr 2013 #299

He was popular for about ten minutes--he very quickly consolidated power and started murdering MADem Apr 2013 #302

it may be that it was only 10 minutes -- *after* he assumed power. but during the revolutionary HiPointDem Apr 2013 #303

Shah was ill. Things were happening well before he left. MADem Apr 2013 #306

Translation: Nakkid is OK when, and where "I" say it OK. Otherwise it's WRONG. idwiyo Apr 2013 #77

No. Despite the endless repetition of this idea in these hundreds of posts ..... kwassa Apr 2013 #137

You keep talking about Boobies. And Nudity. Again, and again, and again. Their tactics work idwiyo Apr 2013 #147

Oh, please. That image of that woman is so manipulative. kwassa Apr 2013 #156

Oh my... You cant stand it that she did get her message across. It pisses you off. idwiyo Apr 2013 #199

But if her message is a lie, what value does it have? None. And you don't care. kwassa Apr 2013 #216

LOL. "Her message is confused" "Her message is a lie" "She isn't Tunisian enough" "She should tone stevenleser Apr 2013 #220

All those reasons stick. Every last one of them. kwassa Apr 2013 #226

Only in your mind, dearie. opiate69 Apr 2013 #237

I still await a logical rebuttal of any of them from you. kwassa Apr 2013 #246

. stevenleser Apr 2013 #238

When you have a response with content, please post it. kwassa Apr 2013 #248

Regardless of what I do or say, you will make up a new charge against Amina and Femen. stevenleser Apr 2013 #250

You just don't have an argument. Not my problem. kwassa Apr 2013 #256

Actually it's you who is talking about collusion with photographer, about image been false, about idwiyo Apr 2013 #251

You think there is a valid purpose for a faked photo. This is dishonest. kwassa Apr 2013 #261

No, YOU think it's a faked photo. And I already told you it's irrelevant what you think. idwiyo Apr 2013 #268

Mission Accomplished! polly7 Apr 2013 #321

You would think feminists would use the oprtunity to get their message across while media is paying idwiyo Apr 2013 #323

I am seriously thinking it is some kind of obsession with nakedness. Otherwise, why concentrate on idwiyo Apr 2013 #48

It IS scary. We have feminists unable to express support for this woman because she showed her stevenleser Apr 2013 #56

No, they expressed support for the issue, just not her tactic. kwassa Apr 2013 #236

Jury went 2-4 to leave this post LadyHawkAZ Apr 2013 #46

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exactly. Women are suppose to have the freedom to do what they want with their bodies. I don't like liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #51

Well, Femen is anti-porn and anti-prostitution, so they don't agree with you. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #58

They don't agree with you, that's for sure. They also don't agree with forcing women to do what idwiyo Apr 2013 #61

Interesting point, but you are also slightly wrong. stevenleser Apr 2013 #62

+1 idwiyo Apr 2013 #66

protesting Sex Work is how they started JI7 Apr 2013 #68

Repeating the same BS over and over agin is not going no make it so. Really, do go and check idwiyo Apr 2013 #71

really ? opposing sex work is not about the sex workers ? JI7 Apr 2013 #78

Feigning this level of ignorance does not do you credit. Really. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #82

Am sorry to tell you, but no. Not if one is pro-choice. There is a difference, really. idwiyo Apr 2013 #83

so why do they oppose sex work ? JI7 Apr 2013 #91

Again, they don't. Go read what is written on their bodies. Try to read the native language too. idwiyo Apr 2013 #96

so why are they opposed to prostitution ? JI7 Apr 2013 #109

Go back and read some more. You are not going to believe anything I say anyway. Go, read, think. idwiyo Apr 2013 #118

why not tell me and post links , or at least explain it JI7 Apr 2013 #123

It troubles you, not me. Start with looking at the pictures. Find ones with Cyrillic on them. idwiyo Apr 2013 #134

That person knows full well what you are saying. They are feigning ignorance and playing games stevenleser Apr 2013 #115

i haven't done anything to support Code Pink either , does that mean i supported the war in IRaq JI7 Apr 2013 #121

I know :) I am just trying to be an optimist and give them a chance to evolve. Anything possible. idwiyo Apr 2013 #122

so Femen does not oppose prostitution ? JI7 Apr 2013 #124

Keep reading, you are not there yet. :) idwiyo Apr 2013 #128

i didn't find anything , why don't you give a link, you seem to love posting accusations JI7 Apr 2013 #130

Opposition to turning Ukraine into international bordello does not equal opposition to sex workers. idwiyo Apr 2013 #141

no, still don't see what you are trying to say JI7 Apr 2013 #178

seems like it's a NIMBY issue- they don;t want too much sex work in their back yard... bettyellen Apr 2013 #260

Keep reading. I am not here to do your work for you. idwiyo Apr 2013 #297

Other: we interfere in other countries' business far too much. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #21

Tunisia is Amina's country. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #25

Well of course. And screw the "tone" attack on "how she said it "(nt). DirkGently Apr 2013 #22

Amen! Fuck the tone-trolling! backscatter712 Apr 2013 #149

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Holy shit! Uncle Leo! opiate69 Apr 2013 #31

lol Go Vols Apr 2013 #43

who here said he is defending women and opposing patriachy ? JI7 Apr 2013 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #107

is that guy a patriarchy battler ? JI7 Apr 2013 #112

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I sincerely hope that guy got his ass kicked, because he severely needs a beating. n/t backscatter712 Apr 2013 #150

No shit. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #152

I support the feminist movement. Rex Apr 2013 #30

+1000 maddezmom Apr 2013 #34

we're way too prudish when it comes to nudity in this country. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #40

I think all religion is patriarchal boston bean Apr 2013 #41

Lots of women Go Vols Apr 2013 #44

Bogus choices. winter is coming Apr 2013 #50

I think we can see from the emerging poll results how bogus DUers think the choices are. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #54

How many are even bothering to read the second choice? winter is coming Apr 2013 #55

The poll is more than a poll on the specifics. It's a test of what is important to DUers. stevenleser Apr 2013 #59

Nudity's not offensive to me. Piss-poor logic is. n/t winter is coming Apr 2013 #63

Your actions are drowning out your words here. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #65

ROFL! Go back and read some of the threads, and see if you can find ANY winter is coming Apr 2013 #69

LOL, Do you understand what a proper poll is? stevenleser Apr 2013 #74

Duh. You don't have the means to do that aspect of polling properly. winter is coming Apr 2013 #87

Let's parse what has evolved to be your position stevenleser Apr 2013 #89

I could. And so could the other people in this thread who find your choices bogus. winter is coming Apr 2013 #94

I'm happy with my poll. You can create whatever poll you want to create. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #106

I support feminism and feminists in Tunisia. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #67

the only ones who oppose this are right wing religious fundies, fake feminists, quinnox Apr 2013 #76

Just because you say so? kwassa Apr 2013 #142

some opposing viewpoints are better left ignored snooper2 Apr 2013 #190

especially when you have no counter-argument kwassa Apr 2013 #200

you are correct, I have no counter-argument for people on a random message board snooper2 Apr 2013 #207

which is why you found it so necessary to respond. kwassa Apr 2013 #232

likewise LOL, snooper2 Apr 2013 #243

A-fucking-men. The tone-trolls can suck it! n/t backscatter712 Apr 2013 #146

and yet you complained when people criticized the Pope/vatican JI7 Apr 2013 #189

This is an absurdly loaded question. TimberValley Apr 2013 #79

See my #59 and my #74 for answers to that. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #86

It's par for the course... Scootaloo Apr 2013 #108

Ahh.. but, does a true feminist take sugar on her porridge?? opiate69 Apr 2013 #111

Except... that Femen and Amina are second wavers. Nice try though. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #117

And that's probably the most ironic thing about this whole issue opiate69 Apr 2013 #119

Interesting. So by our previous discussions on the subject... Scootaloo Apr 2013 #138

Nope. I disagree with them about porn and prostitution as I disagree with all second wavers on stevenleser Apr 2013 #140

Like I said; so long as they have their breasts out, they have your attention Scootaloo Apr 2013 #161

Nope. Just like I have supported 2nd wavers here I disagreed with on many occasions. And I can stevenleser Apr 2013 #163

Well, that runs contrary to my expeirence with you. Scootaloo Apr 2013 #166

Cool kids ? dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #317

As a Feminist, of course I do! Catherina Apr 2013 #97

Maybe a better poll would be... randome Apr 2013 #101

I voted yes. But your second option is frankly stupid beyond words. Scootaloo Apr 2013 #104

You are one of the few who has opposed Femen who has voted 'Yes' stevenleser Apr 2013 #110

I don't "oppose Femen," Steve Scootaloo Apr 2013 #135

Great post. kwassa Apr 2013 #144

The part about it being factually wrong obviously doesn't concern you. Amina is Tunisian. stevenleser Apr 2013 #154

Tyler is one of those traditional Tunisian names, isn't it? kwassa Apr 2013 #158

It very well could be... your inability to think so is dangerously close to bigotry actually.. opiate69 Apr 2013 #164

Make Up A Fact Time! kwassa Apr 2013 #174

I would never steal your claim to fame. opiate69 Apr 2013 #185

You have no idea why this Tunisian woman is named Tyler, do you? kwassa Apr 2013 #193

It's been a few years since I got involved with the religion group wars... opiate69 Apr 2013 #194

You have no facts as to why this woman is named Tyler. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. kwassa Apr 2013 #221

No.. I have no facts to prove your despicable accusation concerning her identity as the lie opiate69 Apr 2013 #225

Thank you for admitting your lack of factual information on this topic. kwassa Apr 2013 #228

Well, according to the article posted upthread, "Tyler" is Amina's NICKNAME. MADem Apr 2013 #311

Read further in the article kwassa Apr 2013 #327

I read that article four times--the first two times, the "nickname" stuff MADem Apr 2013 #328

So you want to change this to whether Amina is 'Tunisian enough' to protest in Tunisia. stevenleser Apr 2013 #215

Amina is copying Femen tactics from the Ukraine, rather than Tunisian protest tactics. kwassa Apr 2013 #245

So, with absence of knowledge, you make up a new charge of cultural jingoism and add a bizarre stevenleser Apr 2013 #247

I know, right?? I mean... opiate69 Apr 2013 #252

The cultural jingoism is obvious, and much discussed here. Tyler's story is not. kwassa Apr 2013 #255

"The cultural jingoism is obvious". No it isn't. You pulled it out of thin air. stevenleser Apr 2013 #257

The cultural jingoism I am referring to has nothing to do with Tyler's name. Its name is Femen. kwassa Apr 2013 #263

Amina is Tunisian and she formed her own branch of Femen and protested the way she wanted to protest stevenleser Apr 2013 #283

Why don't you do the explaining? Do you know for certain that her name is not a pseudonym? MADem Apr 2013 #290

I did the explaining. You don't accept it. Find out something. kwassa Apr 2013 #324

Oh, wise one? opiate69 Apr 2013 #325

According to the article cited in this thread, it's a nickname. So your explanation was wrong. nt MADem Apr 2013 #326

Amina is Tunisian, lives there and she started Femen Tunisia. Your characterization is wrong. stevenleser Apr 2013 #153

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LOL, any attack from you I wear as a badge of honor. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #167

Okay. Scootaloo Apr 2013 #171

I support her goals ... etherealtruth Apr 2013 #131

Anything that supports jihadists will take society backwards. Initech Apr 2013 #133

It seems we have a secular form of fundamentalism here in the US when it comes to nudity. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #184

No matter what people say, it sure as hell *looks* like both "sides" freaking out over nudity. nomorenomore08 Apr 2013 #136

I support Amina Tyler's goal, and I support her tactics. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #145

Very well said. Comments by some do remind me of objections to gay pride parades stevenleser Apr 2013 #155

Yep. In this protest, pissing people off is the goal. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #159

where did she say her goal is to prevent the adoption of sharia law? and furthermore, if indeed HiPointDem Apr 2013 #165

Where she lives, Sharia law's likely to be forced on her whether she shows her boobs or not. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #203

Tunisia hasn't had sharia law for 60 years. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #206

Then why's she protesting? backscatter712 Apr 2013 #210

The fundamentalist can't get the government to do that... Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #222

The fundies very well might. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #227

Freedom and equality for women are written into the constitution. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #234

Nope. The new constitution hasn't been voted on yet so everything's in limbo riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #259

Good question. I'm not sure how the OP got 'she's protesting sharia law' from the limited HiPointDem Apr 2013 #231

When she contacted Femen and asked how she could join, they told her Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #241

The first messages were in english. only the last (which came later) was in arabic. it suggests HiPointDem Apr 2013 #242

The national religion is Islam. A non-Muslim cannot be President. Government officials must MADem Apr 2013 #249

So what? Under that constitution (1959) Sharia law was abolished, women got the vote, abortion HiPointDem Apr 2013 #266

Nothing in the past means anything to the Tunisia of today! riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #270

Precisely--and the Salafists are pushing for MORE Islam, not less, and fewer rights for women. MADem Apr 2013 #274

You don't get it. When it comes down to "rights of women," the reference point is the Qu'ran. MADem Apr 2013 #271

you posted the 1959 constitution, under which tunisian women lived much as western women HiPointDem Apr 2013 #300

The draft constitution hasn't been ratified yet. They are still fighting over it. MADem Apr 2013 #304

Yes: & those fundies are funded by US allies. The US is actually in bed with those fundies in HiPointDem Apr 2013 #305

Gee, you went from "Nothing to see here" to "Blame America." MADem Apr 2013 #307

i don't much care what you think. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #309

I'm sure you don't--I have my facts in order, and that's apparently problematic for you. nt MADem Apr 2013 #312

you have your straw men in order, you mean. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #313

Which straw men would those be? Point them out, and do be very specific. nt MADem Apr 2013 #314

Actuallly..... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #170

the lack of certain usernames in the poll says more than anything else LOL snooper2 Apr 2013 #181

For what it is worth, I never vote on these polls but I have expressed my Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #213

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #333

FWIW, Tunisia is a wonderful country w/ wonderful people Nevernose Apr 2013 #281

Everything that I have read seems to suggest that. And I think Amina and others like her are trying stevenleser Apr 2013 #282

The fundies were trying to put that polygamy back IN the new constitution, you know. MADem Apr 2013 #294

Yes, I do. HappyMe Apr 2013 #315

+ 10^10^100 nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #318

kick HappyMe Apr 2013 #316

Kick back atcha! stevenleser Apr 2013 #319

..... HappyMe Apr 2013 #320

Kick. 102 DUers who get it!!!!! stevenleser Apr 2013 #332