Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: Robert Parry: ‘Dirty War’ Questions for Pope Francis [View all]struggle4progress
(124,695 posts)25. OK. Here it is, once more, slowly and in small bits:
In my #5, I noted Parry quotes O'Shaughnessy in the Guardian attributing the following claim to Argentinian author, Verbitsky:
... the Argentine navy with the connivance of Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, now the Jesuit archbishop of Buenos Aires, hid from a visiting delegation of the Inter-American Human Rights Commission the dictatorships political prisoners. Bergoglio was hiding them in nothing less than his holiday home in an island called El Silencio in the River Plate ...
And there I also noted:
In 1979, the island of El Silencio may indeed have been the site for Sunday retreats by the Archbishop of Buenos Aires, but the Archbishop then was Juan Carlos Aramburu
In my #7, I reiterated:
... although there are claims that the archdiocese of Buenos Aires owned El Silencio then, Bergoglio was not in charge of the archdiocese at that time ...
In my #9, I reported finding an article by Verbitsky that contained Verbitsky's actual claim (here translated from original Spanish text at link provided):
... Grasselli himself sold the island "Silence", where the Archbishop Aramburu of Buenos Aires ate his weekend meals, to ESMA in January 1979, so they could hide there a group of prisoners from the American Commission on Human Rights when it inspected military facilities ...
Thus, Verbitsky's allegation concerns an island where a prior Archbishop, Aramburu, allegedly took his Sunday retreats and a certain Grasselli. As I noted in #17, Verbitsky's allegation does not appear to involve Bergoglio: his claim, that the island was where Archbishop Aramburu of Buenos Aires ate his weekend meals and that Grasselli sold the island to the military, has somehow mutated into a claim that Bergoglio had a holiday home there and hid prisoners in that holiday home so human rights workers would not interview them. As I suggested in #5, the natural assumption is that someone appears to have made "the mistake of assuming that Bergoglio was Archbishop of Buenos Aires in 1979," confusing Bergoglio with Aramburu, and "Parry carelessly reproduces the error" -- it now seems we can attribute the error to O'Shaughnessy
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
Recommendations
0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):
30 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations

I knew it, I knew it, I knew it...the nazi angle would come into play sooner or later!
Purveyor
Mar 2013
#2
As I suggested...only a matter of time and 'you people' didn't disappoint. Carry on. eom
Purveyor
Mar 2013
#8
How about some arithmetic? WWII ended in 1945, so any adult WWII Nazi was born in 1927 or earlier.
struggle4progress
Mar 2013
#10
Political clout is usually directly influenced by personal wealth and not so much by age....
OldDem2012
Mar 2013
#30
Facts matter. Parry quotes O'Shaughnessy in the Guardian attributing the following claim
struggle4progress
Mar 2013
#5
You realize he never mentioned that Bergoglio was the Archbishop, right?
Gravitycollapse
Mar 2013
#6
He says "with the connivance of Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, now the Jesuit archbishop of Buenos Aires"
struggle4progress
Mar 2013
#7
The 2005 case was reportedly filed eight years ago: that should have been enough time
struggle4progress
Mar 2013
#19
i think (though it's not completely clear) they use bergoglio's title as 'cardinal' because he was
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#20
i already saw it & have no idea why you think that's decisive. I don't know what the truth of
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#24
I can't even parse that passage in Parry's article, but the claims in that article don't seem to
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#26
O'Shaughnessy's garbled syntax there strongly suggests that he grabbed some Spanish text,
struggle4progress
Mar 2013
#27