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struggle4progress

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25. OK. Here it is, once more, slowly and in small bits:
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 05:09 AM
Mar 2013

In my #5, I noted Parry quotes O'Shaughnessy in the Guardian attributing the following claim to Argentinian author, Verbitsky:

... the Argentine navy with the connivance of Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, now the Jesuit archbishop of Buenos Aires, hid from a visiting delegation of the Inter-American Human Rights Commission the dictatorship’s political prisoners. Bergoglio was hiding them in nothing less than his holiday home in an island called El Silencio in the River Plate ...


And there I also noted:

In 1979, the island of El Silencio may indeed have been the site for Sunday retreats by the Archbishop of Buenos Aires, but the Archbishop then was Juan Carlos Aramburu


In my #7, I reiterated:

... although there are claims that the archdiocese of Buenos Aires owned El Silencio then, Bergoglio was not in charge of the archdiocese at that time ...


In my #9, I reported finding an article by Verbitsky that contained Verbitsky's actual claim (here translated from original Spanish text at link provided):

... Grasselli himself sold the island "Silence", where the Archbishop Aramburu of Buenos Aires ate his weekend meals, to ESMA in January 1979, so they could hide there a group of prisoners from the American Commission on Human Rights when it inspected military facilities ...


Thus, Verbitsky's allegation concerns an island where a prior Archbishop, Aramburu, allegedly took his Sunday retreats and a certain Grasselli. As I noted in #17, Verbitsky's allegation does not appear to involve Bergoglio: his claim, that the island was where Archbishop Aramburu of Buenos Aires ate his weekend meals and that Grasselli sold the island to the military, has somehow mutated into a claim that Bergoglio had a holiday home there and hid prisoners in that holiday home so human rights workers would not interview them. As I suggested in #5, the natural assumption is that someone appears to have made "the mistake of assuming that Bergoglio was Archbishop of Buenos Aires in 1979," confusing Bergoglio with Aramburu, and "Parry carelessly reproduces the error" -- it now seems we can attribute the error to O'Shaughnessy




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Ok. Lets take this to the edge RobertEarl Mar 2013 #1
I knew it, I knew it, I knew it...the nazi angle would come into play sooner or later! Purveyor Mar 2013 #2
No Nazis in Argentina? RobertEarl Mar 2013 #3
As I suggested...only a matter of time and 'you people' didn't disappoint. Carry on. eom Purveyor Mar 2013 #8
Thanks for showing your true colors. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #12
Michael moore amuse bouche Mar 2013 #13
This is just too easy.... OldDem2012 Mar 2013 #4
And the new Pope is involved in this, of course? eom Purveyor Mar 2013 #9
Don't act ignorant. It's unbecoming of a DU poster. nt. OldDem2012 Mar 2013 #11
I see ignorant statements every day No Vested Interest Mar 2013 #16
Let me see - both parents are Italian and they arrived in Argentina in 1930 malaise Mar 2013 #29
How about some arithmetic? WWII ended in 1945, so any adult WWII Nazi was born in 1927 or earlier. struggle4progress Mar 2013 #10
Political clout is usually directly influenced by personal wealth and not so much by age.... OldDem2012 Mar 2013 #30
Facts matter. Parry quotes O'Shaughnessy in the Guardian attributing the following claim struggle4progress Mar 2013 #5
You realize he never mentioned that Bergoglio was the Archbishop, right? Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #6
He says "with the connivance of Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, now the Jesuit archbishop of Buenos Aires" struggle4progress Mar 2013 #7
When her wrote that Bergoglio was already the Cardinal. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #14
I found an article by Verbitsky, making the claim: struggle4progress Mar 2013 #17
Bergoglio is of Italian descent. He became a priest in 1969. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #15
I found an article by Verbitsky, making the claim: struggle4progress Mar 2013 #18
Thanks. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #23
The 2005 case was reportedly filed eight years ago: that should have been enough time struggle4progress Mar 2013 #19
Yes. It may have been unfounded. People can file any kind of a case. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #22
i think (though it's not completely clear) they use bergoglio's title as 'cardinal' because he was HiPointDem Mar 2013 #20
See my #17 struggle4progress Mar 2013 #21
i already saw it & have no idea why you think that's decisive. I don't know what the truth of HiPointDem Mar 2013 #24
OK. Here it is, once more, slowly and in small bits: struggle4progress Mar 2013 #25
I can't even parse that passage in Parry's article, but the claims in that article don't seem to HiPointDem Mar 2013 #26
O'Shaughnessy's garbled syntax there strongly suggests that he grabbed some Spanish text, struggle4progress Mar 2013 #27
Here's a synopsis of the book from a bookseller: struggle4progress Mar 2013 #28
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