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In reply to the discussion: Robert Parry: ‘Dirty War’ Questions for Pope Francis [View all]JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)15. Bergoglio is of Italian descent. He became a priest in 1969.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/03/13/sorry-jorge-mario-bergoglio-is-not-the-first-non-european-pope/
(I have heard that he is of Italian descent from several sources.)
Bergoglio was born in 1936. He was four-five in 1941 when WWII began. Judging from the Wikipedia article which describes him as a native of Argentina, He would not have been in Fascist Italy or NAZI Germany. Of course, we don't know and probably never will know what his parents thought during WWII.
Let's hope they were not unusual enough for us to ever find out.
But, there is this . . .
On 15 April 2005, a human rights lawyer filed a criminal complaint against Bergoglio, as superior in the Society of Jesus of Argentina, accusing him of involvement in the kidnapping by the Navy in May 1976 (during the Dirty War) of two Jesuit priests.[20] The priests, Orlando Yorio and Franz Jalics, were found alive five months later, drugged and semi-naked. Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work. Jalics refused to discuss it after moving into seclusion in a German monastery.[21] Horacio Verbitsky, an Argentine investigative journalist and former montonero, wrote a book about this and other related events titled El Silencio: de Paulo VI a Bergoglio: las relaciones secretas de la Iglesia con la ESMA.[22] Verbitsky also writes that the Argentine Navy with the help of Cardinal Bergoglio hid the dictatorship's political prisoners in Bergoglio's holiday home from a visiting delegation of the Inter-American Human Rights Commission.[23]
According to the book, after their release, Yorio accused the then-Provincial of his Jesuit order San Miguel, Jorge Mario Bergoglio, to have denounced him. Father General Pedro Arrupe in Rome was informed by letter or during the abduction, both he and Orlando Yorio were excluded from the Jesuit Order.[24]
Bergoglio told his authorized biographer, Sergio Rubin, that after the priests' imprisonment, he worked behind the scenes for their release; Bergoglio's intercession with dictator Jorge Rafael Videla on their behalf may have saved their lives.[25] "The cardinal could not justify why these two priests were in a state of helplessness and exposed," according to Luis Zamora, who said that Bergoglio's testimony "demonstrates the role of the Church during the last military dictatorship."[26]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Francis
(I have heard that he is of Italian descent from several sources.)
Bergoglio was born in 1936. He was four-five in 1941 when WWII began. Judging from the Wikipedia article which describes him as a native of Argentina, He would not have been in Fascist Italy or NAZI Germany. Of course, we don't know and probably never will know what his parents thought during WWII.
Let's hope they were not unusual enough for us to ever find out.
But, there is this . . .
On 15 April 2005, a human rights lawyer filed a criminal complaint against Bergoglio, as superior in the Society of Jesus of Argentina, accusing him of involvement in the kidnapping by the Navy in May 1976 (during the Dirty War) of two Jesuit priests.[20] The priests, Orlando Yorio and Franz Jalics, were found alive five months later, drugged and semi-naked. Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work. Jalics refused to discuss it after moving into seclusion in a German monastery.[21] Horacio Verbitsky, an Argentine investigative journalist and former montonero, wrote a book about this and other related events titled El Silencio: de Paulo VI a Bergoglio: las relaciones secretas de la Iglesia con la ESMA.[22] Verbitsky also writes that the Argentine Navy with the help of Cardinal Bergoglio hid the dictatorship's political prisoners in Bergoglio's holiday home from a visiting delegation of the Inter-American Human Rights Commission.[23]
According to the book, after their release, Yorio accused the then-Provincial of his Jesuit order San Miguel, Jorge Mario Bergoglio, to have denounced him. Father General Pedro Arrupe in Rome was informed by letter or during the abduction, both he and Orlando Yorio were excluded from the Jesuit Order.[24]
Bergoglio told his authorized biographer, Sergio Rubin, that after the priests' imprisonment, he worked behind the scenes for their release; Bergoglio's intercession with dictator Jorge Rafael Videla on their behalf may have saved their lives.[25] "The cardinal could not justify why these two priests were in a state of helplessness and exposed," according to Luis Zamora, who said that Bergoglio's testimony "demonstrates the role of the Church during the last military dictatorship."[26]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Francis
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I knew it, I knew it, I knew it...the nazi angle would come into play sooner or later!
Purveyor
Mar 2013
#2
As I suggested...only a matter of time and 'you people' didn't disappoint. Carry on. eom
Purveyor
Mar 2013
#8
How about some arithmetic? WWII ended in 1945, so any adult WWII Nazi was born in 1927 or earlier.
struggle4progress
Mar 2013
#10
Political clout is usually directly influenced by personal wealth and not so much by age....
OldDem2012
Mar 2013
#30
Facts matter. Parry quotes O'Shaughnessy in the Guardian attributing the following claim
struggle4progress
Mar 2013
#5
You realize he never mentioned that Bergoglio was the Archbishop, right?
Gravitycollapse
Mar 2013
#6
He says "with the connivance of Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, now the Jesuit archbishop of Buenos Aires"
struggle4progress
Mar 2013
#7
The 2005 case was reportedly filed eight years ago: that should have been enough time
struggle4progress
Mar 2013
#19
i think (though it's not completely clear) they use bergoglio's title as 'cardinal' because he was
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#20
i already saw it & have no idea why you think that's decisive. I don't know what the truth of
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#24
I can't even parse that passage in Parry's article, but the claims in that article don't seem to
HiPointDem
Mar 2013
#26
O'Shaughnessy's garbled syntax there strongly suggests that he grabbed some Spanish text,
struggle4progress
Mar 2013
#27