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LongTomH

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23. There was an interesting AlterNet article on a similar subject back in June 2012
Wed Feb 20, 2013, 09:13 AM
Feb 2013

Progressive futurist and AlterNet editor Sara Robinson argued that the GOP is being run by the descendants of Southern slaveowners.

It's been said that the rich are different than you and me. What most Americans don't know is that they're also quite different from each other, and that which faction is currently running the show ultimately makes a vast difference in the kind of country we are.

Right now, a lot of our problems stem directly from the fact that the wrong sort has finally gotten the upper hand; a particularly brutal and anti-democratic strain of American aristocrat that the other elites have mostly managed to keep away from the levers of power since the Revolution. Worse: this bunch has set a very ugly tone that's corrupted how people with power and money behave in every corner of our culture. Here's what happened, and how it happened, and what it means for America now.


HiPointDem is correct that slavery tarnished the history of both North and South and that conditions for workers in both North and South were horrible. However, the reforms that improved conditions for workers largely came from Northern union organizers and Yankee political reformers, the Roosevelts, Woodrow Wilson, JFK, etc.

Northerners are far from pure; most of the old Yankee industrialists were guilty of exploiting their workers; but, there was that reformist strain that eventually produced better working conditions, and the shared prosperity of post-war America until the Reagan revolution.

I posted some excerpts from the article, beginning with my own comments:

Human beings make models ('hypotheses' in scientific terms) to explain how things work. In science, a hypothesis is judged by its utility in explaining known phenomenon and it's predictive capabilities; that is, how well does it explain new phenomena? Progressive futurist Sara Robinson has offered an interesting hypothesis to explain the behavior and ideology of the Republican party over the last few decades.

The North vs South model can be regarded as a hypothesis; the question is: How useful is it in explaining the increasing ruthlessness of GOP politicians and the capitalists who exploit the South's cheap labor?

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I still think slavery is the original sin. senseandsensibility Feb 2013 #1
Slavery is the ultimate cheap powerless labor DBoon Feb 2013 #2
If Slavery IS the Original Sin, bvar22 Feb 2013 #3
Yes, they've made an adjustment to have to pay some minimal wages CanonRay Feb 2013 #30
I believe it Canuckistanian Feb 2013 #4
Hmmm... moondust Feb 2013 #5
This is not so much a figment of the South anymore Major Nikon Feb 2013 #6
It is no coincidence that the South had the lowest percentage of union representation. alarimer Feb 2013 #7
what? HiPointDem Feb 2013 #8
Funny thing is the article you link to doesn't support what you wrote. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2013 #9
child labor wasn't any better in the us than in england, and everything i wrote is true. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #11
Sorry buddy I don't buy your revisionist BS Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2013 #12
lol. you don't know your history. 'revisionist' is people who pretend slavery = only the south. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #13
Dude you haven't supported your argument. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2013 #14
dude, you can start your education with the link in the post you just responded to. here it is HiPointDem Feb 2013 #15
here's another: HiPointDem Feb 2013 #16
Thank you HPD pecwae Feb 2013 #18
Much appreciated, HiPointDem cordelia Feb 2013 #19
I had the same reaction as you - lynne Feb 2013 #20
Thank you! You are absolutely correct. It's remarkable how many people just don't know..... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #21
link looks interesting; thanks! real american history is way more interesting and educational HiPointDem Feb 2013 #25
Thank you for an informative series of posts on this important topic. n/t Laelth Feb 2013 #28
I tell that to my two kids every time they have a test in what they now call "Social Studies".... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #29
Dude you still haven't proven your point. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2013 #38
you seem to think my point is "the north had slaves too." but my point is that slave-trade HiPointDem Feb 2013 #40
and this Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #22
I read the Jungle in 9th grade. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2013 #39
And Snyder & gang is trying to bring that model to MI. I can see the "Pure Michigan" catbyte Feb 2013 #10
Mammon Vs. America Berlum Feb 2013 #17
There was an interesting AlterNet article on a similar subject back in June 2012 LongTomH Feb 2013 #23
the reforms came largely because 1) elite northern abolitionists had already made their nut & HiPointDem Feb 2013 #27
It still is ... ananda Feb 2013 #24
Excellent eaasy. k&r n/t Laelth Feb 2013 #26
Interesting paragraph from the article. Laelth Feb 2013 #31
+1 HiPointDem Feb 2013 #32
Chiquola Mills, Honea Path, SC, 1934. . . DinahMoeHum Feb 2013 #33
Excellent essay. Thanks for this post. n/t Laelth Feb 2013 #34
Then maybe we over here on our side should consider the following: Volaris Feb 2013 #35
Not much has changed when you think about it, they're still using race as class divider SpartanDem Feb 2013 #36
It is like this guy is reading my university history papers Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2013 #37
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