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126. Would you agree with the obvious corollary

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:36 PM

Jan 2013

That if you declared a gun free zone and did not adequately enforce it, when there was injuries with a firearm you would bear some liability?

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A guy just shot himself in the bathroom of the cyber cafe I am posting from (Open carry activist) [View all] Nika Jan 2013 OP

I normally hide all the gun threads, but this is just too funny! Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #1

I try not to laugh at other people's suffering but limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #34

When it's self-inflicted mythology Jan 2013 #130

Schadenfreude panzerfaust Feb 2013 #193

Need more guns SCantiGOP Feb 2013 #203

! FiveGoodMen Feb 2013 #271

first someone shoots one of his nuts off PatrynXX Feb 2013 #270

Somehow, when they shoot themselves, I don't really care. CBGLuthier Jan 2013 #2

As a gun proponent guardian Jan 2013 #4

Feel the same way when idiots crash their cars The Straight Story Jan 2013 #80

yeh, those open drive advocates are real assholes frylock Jan 2013 #110

Because comparing Constitutional rights and State-revocable privileges makes SO MUCH SENSE Occulus Jan 2013 #116

Because that wasn't the point of that post at all. cui bono Feb 2013 #147

because there was no point.. frylock Feb 2013 #156

And par for his course...nt joeybee12 Feb 2013 #234

And people who drive like assholes get charged laundry_queen Feb 2013 #142

Not nearly as many as should be ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #162

Watch it if you come to Florida... Sancho Feb 2013 #180

I've been there many times ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #213

LOL nt SunSeeker Feb 2013 #240

I ride with people like you only once. Whovian Feb 2013 #198

Not so much in the fairing ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #215

Ride like everyone else on the road is out to kill you. Whovian Feb 2013 #220

Always have and some have been more successful than others ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #223

If one can't go into a rest room without shooting G_j Feb 2013 #202

Wow that really helps us see the holes in the analogy treestar Feb 2013 #278

I think it did hurt plenty. He looked shocky when he left on the gurney with Nika Feb 2013 #229

I'm sorry. I can't resist... GoCubsGo Jan 2013 #3

Me too! Have you seen this compilation? Bozita Jan 2013 #50

Oh,so that is why Jim Rob the Freeper Magnate needs a Socialist WheelChair Rain Mcloud Jan 2013 #120

I'm stunned that your response was alerted. Here are the jury results: JackBeck Feb 2013 #140

Beware the puritan police! mikeysnot Feb 2013 #195

Well, if you had contrived an anti-gun statement to go with it... Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #205

Don't know how I can work guns into Ashley Judd running mikeysnot Feb 2013 #209

I don't know who Juror #6 was Rob H. Feb 2013 #224

Agreed. Rain Mcloud Feb 2013 #272

Gee, he must feel stupid, trying impress all those normal folks . TheCowsCameHome Jan 2013 #5

Was that a " good guy with a gun shooting a bad buy with a gun" ? pkdu Jan 2013 #6

LOL Spazito Jan 2013 #54

If he had another gun... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #73

. ReRe Jan 2013 #74

DUzy! Rob H. Feb 2013 #225

It wasn't a bad guy Turbineguy Feb 2013 #177

Imagine the tragedy that could have happened... pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #7

Especially in downtown Eugene in the middle of the afternoon. Shrike47 Jan 2013 #11

True, LOL! nt pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #29

He's the most dangerous thing to happen in Eugene so far this year. Coyotl Jan 2013 #78

We had seven cops answer the call to secure the scene for the ambulance as a gun was involved. Nika Jan 2013 #92

Ahh but what if it had been Springfield? snort Jan 2013 #83

If it were Springfield, as per the local rivalry between the cities... Nika Jan 2013 #89

This might be a case where Open Carry makes the rest of us safer Demeter Feb 2013 #182

thank goodness no one else got hurt nt treestar Feb 2013 #279

Hammer down on a live round? ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #8

He belongs to a group (small one I think) called the 'Oregon Militia." Nika Jan 2013 #20

he needs to get a ticket for firing a weapon in public! orleans Feb 2013 #253

I fully agree with you and it is indeed illegal to fire a gun in the incorperated portion of Eugene. Nika Feb 2013 #277

That says a lot, actually... nt cecilfirefox Feb 2013 #265

Probably, that's what I thought. Deep13 Jan 2013 #30

Maybe he went to rub one out with his precious. (n/m) ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #91

he did do something very stupid with the pistol. it's called open carry. frylock Jan 2013 #112

Open carry is not inherently unsafe or stupid ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #123

It is inherently stupid and unsafe for a civilian. nt SunSeeker Feb 2013 #138

That would depend on the civilian. ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #139

Out of uniform, open carry is unsafe, period. SunSeeker Feb 2013 #154

You have not established that it is always unsafe, we have agreed it upsets some ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #159

I tend to agree, and WISH there were Volaris Feb 2013 #167

Some good thoughts. IdaBriggs Feb 2013 #187

cops open carry because it's a part of their job.. frylock Feb 2013 #155

Which has nothing to do with its safety ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #160

Link(s)? Facts? nt SunSeeker Feb 2013 #169

Its basic doctrine, civilian/LEO/Military ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #170

I see, you were making it up. nt SunSeeker Feb 2013 #171

Far from it...your statement is much like the creationists going after evolution...its that basic ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #173

Creationists don't demand facts and links...it's that basic. SunSeeker Feb 2013 #219

And I lose patience with those who argue from emotion and not facts ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #221

An honest question ... polly7 Feb 2013 #233

Safer purely from a gun handling perspective ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #239

Sorry, I hadn't read your earlier post. polly7 Feb 2013 #243

Nor are most things when done by professionals. But to compare a cop to any random bubba with a gun panzerfaust Feb 2013 #194

Do you realize how little gun training police get? dmallind Feb 2013 #200

"Less than the average hobbyist gets in a week." panzerfaust Feb 2013 #217

As I said upthread, it depends on the civilian ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #218

This message was self-deleted by its author ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #244

I'm sure this is traumatic for you. LeftofObama Jan 2013 #9

If the bullet had gone the wrong way, two of us in front of the loo could of been hit. Nika Jan 2013 #13

You might want to go home and have a drink. LeftofObama Jan 2013 #21

Well, just in case it happens again Warpy Jan 2013 #24

Good ideas . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #57

Why no tourniquet? Kolesar Jan 2013 #58

We used a leather belt. There was a tourniquet. Nika Jan 2013 #61

It cuts off collateral circulation to the whole appendage Warpy Jan 2013 #70

Scouts said it was to be used in a "life or limb" scenario Kolesar Jan 2013 #93

Oh, I'd have let the local Gestapo talk to him for that stunt. Warpy Feb 2013 #134

I wouldn't see why they'd need to get angry Kennah Feb 2013 #164

Cops don't tend to take assholes with guns lightly Warpy Feb 2013 #166

This drunk has already been in the dock on weapons charges Kolesar Feb 2013 #179

Tourniquets are actually making a comeback... actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #103

If you're out where there is only a belt and no extra clothing Warpy Feb 2013 #133

The new CAT (Combat Application Tourniquet) system has literally been a lifesaver ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #174

Tourniquets are routine. RickinSF Feb 2013 #231

When an ambulance is nearby and the hospital is a few minutes away jeff47 Feb 2013 #250

Like the sign on the Old West Saloon formercia Jan 2013 #40

It's so sad we have to RE-LEARN this policy. nt Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #79

That's right... And I assume the help had to clean up after the mess... And fix the roof? freshwest Jan 2013 #60

They did have to do that. Someone who has training with bio hazard protocol did come over to help Nika Jan 2013 #67

Since your business wisely called the PD, they'll bill him and reimburse you, I'm sure. freshwest Jan 2013 #87

All that blood on the floor, and the hole in the tiles? He built that! hatrack Jan 2013 #81

There are bagger infestations up and down the west coast, doncha know. Sad, but true. freshwest Jan 2013 #86

off subject -what are the worst of these areas? Are they grouped in one county or place? lunasun Jan 2013 #101

Some inland areas... Or check the voting districts... It's all there... Yikes. freshwest Jan 2013 #111

Antelope Valley (Lancaster/Palmdale) for one pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #121

Home of Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart. klook Feb 2013 #191

Kern County is a big one ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #127

Thank you all lunasun Feb 2013 #135

If you travel up the I-5 in California you are in the Cleita Feb 2013 #266

"No open carry or concealed weapons on premises." Politicalboi Jan 2013 #71

Only the owner gets to make the call ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #161

The NRA will jump on the "ban". They will claim Americans have ... wake.up.america Jan 2013 #117

This is private property. The shop has a right to keep guns out. nt SunSeeker Feb 2013 #151

Sorry, I failed to recognize the difference and the significance of that difference. wake.up.america Feb 2013 #153

NRA no longer believes that to be true. jeff47 Feb 2013 #251

Yes, the NRA advocates a lot of crazy shit. nt SunSeeker Feb 2013 #268

glad nobody else got hurt , and this is the guy who is going to save the day ? JI7 Jan 2013 #10

Here's a news link BlueStreak Jan 2013 #12

Wow, that was a fast post on the Register Guard site, thanks for posting the link. Nika Jan 2013 #17

I'm glad no one else got hit by accident! Lone_Star_Dem Jan 2013 #14

What the hell?? Was he masturbating with his gun? LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #15

I can explain why, even if I can't speak to the reasonableness of what he was doing. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #53

The other half: he was stupid and very lucky arcane1 Jan 2013 #113

I fear in that case AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #157

I don't think he learned anything, just because of that Scootaloo Feb 2013 #261

he might even be charged with a crime for that. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #262

One more responsible gun owner malaise Jan 2013 #16

The real impact of Newtown is that many people are learing just how pervasive shootings are BlueStreak Jan 2013 #22

Because the public have had enough malaise Jan 2013 #55

It wasn't until Newtown that I realized how much the NRA stopped gun research. SunSeeker Feb 2013 #163

They had to. BlueStreak Feb 2013 #204

This message was self-deleted by its author Earth_First Jan 2013 #51

Thaaaaaat's a shame alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #18

Ever notice that sometimes shit just floats to the top? nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #19

Barney Fife, here to protect you! Curmudgeoness Jan 2013 #23

It rattled me pretty good. Which is why I had to leave the scene while the ambulance were dealing... Nika Jan 2013 #27

"we heard a loud gunshot and a scream from the loo" Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 #25

You can start a novel with first lines like that! Coyotl Jan 2013 #82

lol. yep Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 #122

Another perfect example of how owning a gun keeps you safe! LOL MindandSoul Jan 2013 #26

Didn't have the hammer on an empty chamber . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #28

Yeah, I think so. nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #31

The guy is real macho and covered with tattoos, and talks about the Kenyan usurper when he talks ... Nika Jan 2013 #35

This might . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #45

Scars have more character than tattoos--Andre Codrescu Kolesar Jan 2013 #64

His poetry is good too. another_liberal Jan 2013 #100

He was at a convention I went to and was a kick to listen to Hekate Jan 2013 #105

LOL. "the big cavernous chamber in his head quite empty.' PA Democrat Feb 2013 #206

A old high school friend of mine has shot himself in the leg twice. onehandle Jan 2013 #32

There are lots in the gun culture just like this- non-law abiding, stupid, cowboy, dangerous, etc. Hoyt Jan 2013 #33

Then we would have a lot more injuries...your claim is specious ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #36

Somebody hasn't been paying attention BlueStreak Jan 2013 #99

I have been following those numbers well before Newtown ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #124

bwahahahahaha!! frylock Jan 2013 #115

If there were 1000 times more, it still wouldn't be enough for gunners to give em up. Hoyt Jan 2013 #119

More wishing injuries and death on those you disagree with? ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #125

Those who accumulate, promote, and profit from guns care little for anyone but their guns. Hoyt Feb 2013 #152

Thank you for confirming it ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #158

Straw Man. Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #196

That's all he's got. nt SunSeeker Feb 2013 #246

Idiot! NoPasaran Jan 2013 #37

We had one on Sunday Mnpaul Jan 2013 #38

Relieved to hear you are ok. n/t Helen Reddy Jan 2013 #39

He just fucking shot himself... tularetom Jan 2013 #41

I could only say one thing to this man sarisataka Jan 2013 #42

Now the OC militia will be out in force TheCowsCameHome Jan 2013 #43

I hope he wiped himself first. formercia Jan 2013 #44

we wear gloves and disposable gowns irisblue Feb 2013 #242

Luckily, he only shot himself this time. Unluckily, he only got his leg. nt valerief Jan 2013 #46

If only some good guys carrying guns had been there! DLnyc Jan 2013 #47

LOL! Agree with you, but that was spit on the monitor good... freshwest Jan 2013 #109

yeah, sorry, funny in a sick kind of way, I guess. DLnyc Feb 2013 #143

It did fit the *rootin' tootin' six gun shootin'* mentality of the shootee in the OP. freshwest Feb 2013 #145

Normally I ignore gun threads, but now I embrace them. longship Jan 2013 #48

A "gunsel" is actually the bottom half of a prison romance. IveWornAHundredPants Jan 2013 #68

Apparently not in 1930s-1950s detective fiction Hekate Jan 2013 #114

When Chandler used it in the Maltese Falcon SwankyXomb Feb 2013 #247

ooooo, my innocence has been violated! Hekate Feb 2013 #249

Businesses should be held responsible Politicalboi Jan 2013 #49

word frylock Jan 2013 #118

Would you agree with the obvious corollary ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #126

A perfectly proper position for a point. StrictlyRockers Feb 2013 #172

What the fuck? harmonicon Feb 2013 #175

Thankfully there were no victims in this shooting. obxhead Jan 2013 #52

what a moron expecting you guys to hide his pistol too! WTH did he think he would tell police? bettyellen Jan 2013 #56

Frankly, thinking is not a process I associate with him. Nika Jan 2013 #59

He'll have a little more to think about... pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #63

You said it best: what a loser and an idiot! arthritisR_US Jan 2013 #62

Open carry advocate with an open wound opens up on himself. I'll keep an open mind. Bucky Jan 2013 #65

Indra's should post a sign Hard Assets Jan 2013 #66

This is the new policy at Indra's as a matter of fact. No guns at all are allowed there. Nika Jan 2013 #69

"Any guns, No shirt, No shoes, No service" BlueStreak Jan 2013 #97

If only his leg had been better armed to defend itself Coyotl Jan 2013 #72

So..... Ian Iam Jan 2013 #75

I was here for the shooting and aftermath, but I left the premises and took a walk during the time Nika Jan 2013 #84

Still there per last post. Coyotl Jan 2013 #85

OMG libodem Jan 2013 #76

I love it! UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #77

GunNUT Has Trouble Negotiating the Toilet..Shoots Self triplepoint Jan 2013 #88

Yep, this happened in downtown where we have a Kesey square Nika Jan 2013 #94

LOL ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #90

Hey, don't mock this HERO pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #108

He is indeed a legend in his own mind. Nika Feb 2013 #235

Oddly, that's not surprising pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #238

Yes - also the "Guns don't 'go off'..." thing. (n/t) klook Feb 2013 #263

Anything that can ricochet is a bad thing. Someone else could have been killed. n/t vaberella Jan 2013 #95

Small wonder he didn't bleed to death. Aristus Jan 2013 #96

Can't these people be sued? Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #98

If it had struck something else... he might of needed a bigger gun!! (nt) OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #102

It seems like I keep reading this story over and over again. Kalidurga Jan 2013 #104

Sounds like he's more of an "open casket" activist Zambero Jan 2013 #106

keep up the good work, 2A activists! frylock Jan 2013 #107

Was he vigorously stroking his piece when it went off? eom MyNameGoesHere Jan 2013 #128

LOL! City Lights Jan 2013 #131

LOL, the stupidity just makes me have to laugh. nt Raine Jan 2013 #129

This prick should have to pay back the taxpayer $$$ that paid the police and paramedics. TroglodyteScholar Jan 2013 #132

-_- JaneyVee Feb 2013 #136

I am so glad you're alright. nt Claybrains Feb 2013 #137

And of course the worthless fucker got everybody else involved in his fucked up shit NBachers Feb 2013 #141

Thankfully no one else was hurt. Chorophyll Feb 2013 #144

was he wearing clean underwear? snooper2 Feb 2013 #146

Not any more. nt pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #150

his cut off clothes, including his jockey shorts were in the plastic bag the fireman secured in the Nika Feb 2013 #237

Nice shootin', Tex! Hulk Feb 2013 #148

The only person who can stop a dumbass with a gun... rateyes Feb 2013 #149

All I can say is ... jimlup Feb 2013 #165

Obviously, we need MORE guns in bathrooms, lucky he didn't shoot his grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #168

Every bathroom stall should have an armed police guard posted. harmonicon Feb 2013 #176

shot himself timdog44 Feb 2013 #178

How long before one of these idiots accidentally hurts or kills an innocent person? drm604 Feb 2013 #181

Already happens, just doesn't make national news. JHB Feb 2013 #183

Lucky Squaredeal Feb 2013 #184

Message auto-removed PointZeroZeroOne Feb 2013 #185

Perhaps you can ask the cafe to post "no gun" signs to discourage IdaBriggs Feb 2013 #186

Oh wow. MynameisBlarney Feb 2013 #188

It's called "thinning the herd". /nt mwb970 Feb 2013 #189

Too bad he didn't shoot his balls off . . . MrModerate Feb 2013 #190

New meaning for the phrase "Gun Nuts" :) (n/t) klook Feb 2013 #267

(Rimshot!) n/t MrModerate Feb 2013 #275

another musical? Phil1934 Feb 2013 #192

Posted to BuzzFlash WilliamPitt Feb 2013 #197

All I can do is giggle. City Lights Feb 2013 #199

A sampling of "accidentally shot" headlines posted over the last 24 hours mainer Feb 2013 #201

I was all ready to call BS on this one AngryAmish Feb 2013 #207

It's made it to "weird news" so you know this guy is going to live in shame. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #222

Ladies, prepare to find a wet toilet seat with this kind of aim. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #208

Dumbass jpak Feb 2013 #210

He took a leak. Or an ammo dump. Blue Owl Feb 2013 #211

I wonder what will happen when one of those idiots with assault rifles on their backs,... Crowman1979 Feb 2013 #212

If only his leg had a gun... redqueen Feb 2013 #214

He Needs Another Gun To Protect Himself From His Gun! Skraxx Feb 2013 #216

Who's paying for ER care? Ubix Feb 2013 #226

This is a good question, as he is fairly well indigent as he is unemployed. Nika Feb 2013 #236

Average cost to treat a gunshot wound was $38,000 according to a 2006 study. PA Democrat Feb 2013 #241

And he is an Obama hater and a health care plan foe too. Which makes this ironic. Nika Feb 2013 #283

Open Carry? (look for the laser dot) padruig Feb 2013 #227

This guy had been in the 101st Division in the Army and is an Iraqi vet. Nika Feb 2013 #232

Do you feel safe in Portland? lebkuchen Feb 2013 #259

Most times, most places I do in PDX. However, at a light rail stop I was alone with a group of... Nika Feb 2013 #281

I'd consider moving back to the US to a place like Oregon, but the open conceal law lebkuchen Feb 2013 #290

Thanks, I try hard to stay safe. I will note that as a young 7 Eleven clerk I was held up five times Nika Feb 2013 #291

open carry SemperEadem Feb 2013 #228

The bullet is in the ceiling after going through the wall to the room three of us were in. Nika Feb 2013 #230

I'm glad that you and other patrons were not hurt SemperEadem Feb 2013 #258

Well put, thank you. Nika Feb 2013 #282

The good thing about open carry is those danged weapons never get fired indepat Feb 2013 #245

We had an "accidental" shooting where I live on Sunday pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #248

This incident has an all too familiar ring indepat Feb 2013 #256

Oh, yeah! He's just the kind of guy I want around when trouble starts. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #252

Was it this guy? liberal N proud Feb 2013 #254

Stupid is as stupid does :) Blue4Texas Feb 2013 #255

It was common practice in the old west to lower your hammer on an empty chamber so as not to shoot doc03 Feb 2013 #257

I heard that six bullets might not be enough! nt Walk away Feb 2013 #274

Holy Moly! that sounds so NOT Eugene OR. 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #260

Tell me about it. I have been an environmental activist many years here and done many tree sits and Nika Feb 2013 #284

the phrase "poetic justice" comes to mind 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #288

That is hysterical- and truly is a good sign of how inept most of these gun rights folks are. nt cecilfirefox Feb 2013 #264

At least he has a good excuse... pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #269

Quick quiz. What flavor turntable is that..... wandy Feb 2013 #285

Oh, man, you got me there pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #286

Alert the Creationists! Proof positive of Evolution! Walk away Feb 2013 #273

I just wanna say...THIS gets my thread of the night VOTE! MrMickeysMom Feb 2013 #276

I almost find myself wondering if he wasn't REALLY up to no good here ... brett_jv Feb 2013 #280

Barney Fife? Rhiannon12866 Feb 2013 #287

Barney wouldn't have an accidental discharge pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #289