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53. I can explain why, even if I can't speak to the reasonableness of what he was doing.

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:22 PM

Jan 2013

A heavy revolver like that, being open carried, is in a holster that doesn't work real well if you unhitch your belt and take your pants down. (this sometimes applies to some carry rigs for police officers, that's how so many of them leave their guns in bathrooms) So, when you have to go, you take the gun out and put it somewhere, probably on the toilet paper rack or something like that. Then you put it back after you pull your pants up.

This introduces lots of opportunities to shoot yourself.

Worse, this guy's gun was an 'antique' revolver of some sort. Meaning, it is likely without a bar safety, that can prevent the hammer from dropping, or being forced forward by an impact, if you drop the weapon and the hammer is pushed forward without the trigger being pulled.

It is also possible to drop it, grab/fumble for it, and end up pulling the trigger, and having the gun fire properly as it was designed to.

Modern firearms are extremely drop-safe. If you start to drop one, it is safer to let it fall, rather than to grab for it and risk pulling the trigger, which on a DAO type firearm and a few others, will cause it to fire.

SO, this guy is Negligent to start with. That much is certain. The other half of the equation is that he is either stupid, or unlucky. Hard to tell from the story.

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Beware the puritan police! mikeysnot Feb 2013 #195

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Gee, he must feel stupid, trying impress all those normal folks . TheCowsCameHome Jan 2013 #5

Was that a " good guy with a gun shooting a bad buy with a gun" ? pkdu Jan 2013 #6

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If he had another gun... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #73

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DUzy! Rob H. Feb 2013 #225

It wasn't a bad guy Turbineguy Feb 2013 #177

Imagine the tragedy that could have happened... pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #7

Especially in downtown Eugene in the middle of the afternoon. Shrike47 Jan 2013 #11

True, LOL! nt pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #29

He's the most dangerous thing to happen in Eugene so far this year. Coyotl Jan 2013 #78

We had seven cops answer the call to secure the scene for the ambulance as a gun was involved. Nika Jan 2013 #92

Ahh but what if it had been Springfield? snort Jan 2013 #83

If it were Springfield, as per the local rivalry between the cities... Nika Jan 2013 #89

This might be a case where Open Carry makes the rest of us safer Demeter Feb 2013 #182

thank goodness no one else got hurt nt treestar Feb 2013 #279

Hammer down on a live round? ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #8

He belongs to a group (small one I think) called the 'Oregon Militia." Nika Jan 2013 #20

he needs to get a ticket for firing a weapon in public! orleans Feb 2013 #253

I fully agree with you and it is indeed illegal to fire a gun in the incorperated portion of Eugene. Nika Feb 2013 #277

That says a lot, actually... nt cecilfirefox Feb 2013 #265

Probably, that's what I thought. Deep13 Jan 2013 #30

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he did do something very stupid with the pistol. it's called open carry. frylock Jan 2013 #112

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It is inherently stupid and unsafe for a civilian. nt SunSeeker Feb 2013 #138

That would depend on the civilian. ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #139

Out of uniform, open carry is unsafe, period. SunSeeker Feb 2013 #154

You have not established that it is always unsafe, we have agreed it upsets some ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #159

I tend to agree, and WISH there were Volaris Feb 2013 #167

Some good thoughts. IdaBriggs Feb 2013 #187

cops open carry because it's a part of their job.. frylock Feb 2013 #155

Which has nothing to do with its safety ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #160

Link(s)? Facts? nt SunSeeker Feb 2013 #169

Its basic doctrine, civilian/LEO/Military ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #170

I see, you were making it up. nt SunSeeker Feb 2013 #171

Far from it...your statement is much like the creationists going after evolution...its that basic ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #173

Creationists don't demand facts and links...it's that basic. SunSeeker Feb 2013 #219

And I lose patience with those who argue from emotion and not facts ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #221

An honest question ... polly7 Feb 2013 #233

Safer purely from a gun handling perspective ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #239

Sorry, I hadn't read your earlier post. polly7 Feb 2013 #243

Nor are most things when done by professionals. But to compare a cop to any random bubba with a gun panzerfaust Feb 2013 #194

Do you realize how little gun training police get? dmallind Feb 2013 #200

"Less than the average hobbyist gets in a week." panzerfaust Feb 2013 #217

As I said upthread, it depends on the civilian ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #218

This message was self-deleted by its author ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #244

I'm sure this is traumatic for you. LeftofObama Jan 2013 #9

If the bullet had gone the wrong way, two of us in front of the loo could of been hit. Nika Jan 2013 #13

You might want to go home and have a drink. LeftofObama Jan 2013 #21

Well, just in case it happens again Warpy Jan 2013 #24

Good ideas . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #57

Why no tourniquet? Kolesar Jan 2013 #58

We used a leather belt. There was a tourniquet. Nika Jan 2013 #61

It cuts off collateral circulation to the whole appendage Warpy Jan 2013 #70

Scouts said it was to be used in a "life or limb" scenario Kolesar Jan 2013 #93

Oh, I'd have let the local Gestapo talk to him for that stunt. Warpy Feb 2013 #134

I wouldn't see why they'd need to get angry Kennah Feb 2013 #164

Cops don't tend to take assholes with guns lightly Warpy Feb 2013 #166

This drunk has already been in the dock on weapons charges Kolesar Feb 2013 #179

Tourniquets are actually making a comeback... actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #103

If you're out where there is only a belt and no extra clothing Warpy Feb 2013 #133

The new CAT (Combat Application Tourniquet) system has literally been a lifesaver ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #174

Tourniquets are routine. RickinSF Feb 2013 #231

When an ambulance is nearby and the hospital is a few minutes away jeff47 Feb 2013 #250

Like the sign on the Old West Saloon formercia Jan 2013 #40

It's so sad we have to RE-LEARN this policy. nt Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #79

That's right... And I assume the help had to clean up after the mess... And fix the roof? freshwest Jan 2013 #60

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Since your business wisely called the PD, they'll bill him and reimburse you, I'm sure. freshwest Jan 2013 #87

All that blood on the floor, and the hole in the tiles? He built that! hatrack Jan 2013 #81

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off subject -what are the worst of these areas? Are they grouped in one county or place? lunasun Jan 2013 #101

Some inland areas... Or check the voting districts... It's all there... Yikes. freshwest Jan 2013 #111

Antelope Valley (Lancaster/Palmdale) for one pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #121

Home of Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart. klook Feb 2013 #191

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Thank you all lunasun Feb 2013 #135

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This is private property. The shop has a right to keep guns out. nt SunSeeker Feb 2013 #151

Sorry, I failed to recognize the difference and the significance of that difference. wake.up.america Feb 2013 #153

NRA no longer believes that to be true. jeff47 Feb 2013 #251

Yes, the NRA advocates a lot of crazy shit. nt SunSeeker Feb 2013 #268

glad nobody else got hurt , and this is the guy who is going to save the day ? JI7 Jan 2013 #10

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Wow, that was a fast post on the Register Guard site, thanks for posting the link. Nika Jan 2013 #17

I'm glad no one else got hit by accident! Lone_Star_Dem Jan 2013 #14

What the hell?? Was he masturbating with his gun? LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #15

I can explain why, even if I can't speak to the reasonableness of what he was doing. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #53

The other half: he was stupid and very lucky arcane1 Jan 2013 #113

I fear in that case AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #157

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he might even be charged with a crime for that. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #262

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They had to. BlueStreak Feb 2013 #204

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Barney Fife, here to protect you! Curmudgeoness Jan 2013 #23

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"we heard a loud gunshot and a scream from the loo" Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 #25

You can start a novel with first lines like that! Coyotl Jan 2013 #82

lol. yep Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 #122

Another perfect example of how owning a gun keeps you safe! LOL MindandSoul Jan 2013 #26

Didn't have the hammer on an empty chamber . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #28

Yeah, I think so. nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #31

The guy is real macho and covered with tattoos, and talks about the Kenyan usurper when he talks ... Nika Jan 2013 #35

This might . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #45

Scars have more character than tattoos--Andre Codrescu Kolesar Jan 2013 #64

His poetry is good too. another_liberal Jan 2013 #100

He was at a convention I went to and was a kick to listen to Hekate Jan 2013 #105

LOL. "the big cavernous chamber in his head quite empty.' PA Democrat Feb 2013 #206

A old high school friend of mine has shot himself in the leg twice. onehandle Jan 2013 #32

There are lots in the gun culture just like this- non-law abiding, stupid, cowboy, dangerous, etc. Hoyt Jan 2013 #33

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Somebody hasn't been paying attention BlueStreak Jan 2013 #99

I have been following those numbers well before Newtown ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #124

bwahahahahaha!! frylock Jan 2013 #115

If there were 1000 times more, it still wouldn't be enough for gunners to give em up. Hoyt Jan 2013 #119

More wishing injuries and death on those you disagree with? ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #125

Those who accumulate, promote, and profit from guns care little for anyone but their guns. Hoyt Feb 2013 #152

Thank you for confirming it ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #158

Straw Man. Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #196

That's all he's got. nt SunSeeker Feb 2013 #246

Idiot! NoPasaran Jan 2013 #37

We had one on Sunday Mnpaul Jan 2013 #38

Relieved to hear you are ok. n/t Helen Reddy Jan 2013 #39

He just fucking shot himself... tularetom Jan 2013 #41

I could only say one thing to this man sarisataka Jan 2013 #42

Now the OC militia will be out in force TheCowsCameHome Jan 2013 #43

I hope he wiped himself first. formercia Jan 2013 #44

we wear gloves and disposable gowns irisblue Feb 2013 #242

Luckily, he only shot himself this time. Unluckily, he only got his leg. nt valerief Jan 2013 #46

If only some good guys carrying guns had been there! DLnyc Jan 2013 #47

LOL! Agree with you, but that was spit on the monitor good... freshwest Jan 2013 #109

yeah, sorry, funny in a sick kind of way, I guess. DLnyc Feb 2013 #143

It did fit the *rootin' tootin' six gun shootin'* mentality of the shootee in the OP. freshwest Feb 2013 #145

Normally I ignore gun threads, but now I embrace them. longship Jan 2013 #48

A "gunsel" is actually the bottom half of a prison romance. IveWornAHundredPants Jan 2013 #68

Apparently not in 1930s-1950s detective fiction Hekate Jan 2013 #114

When Chandler used it in the Maltese Falcon SwankyXomb Feb 2013 #247

ooooo, my innocence has been violated! Hekate Feb 2013 #249

Businesses should be held responsible Politicalboi Jan 2013 #49

word frylock Jan 2013 #118

Would you agree with the obvious corollary ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #126

A perfectly proper position for a point. StrictlyRockers Feb 2013 #172

What the fuck? harmonicon Feb 2013 #175

Thankfully there were no victims in this shooting. obxhead Jan 2013 #52

what a moron expecting you guys to hide his pistol too! WTH did he think he would tell police? bettyellen Jan 2013 #56

Frankly, thinking is not a process I associate with him. Nika Jan 2013 #59

He'll have a little more to think about... pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #63

You said it best: what a loser and an idiot! arthritisR_US Jan 2013 #62

Open carry advocate with an open wound opens up on himself. I'll keep an open mind. Bucky Jan 2013 #65

Indra's should post a sign Hard Assets Jan 2013 #66

This is the new policy at Indra's as a matter of fact. No guns at all are allowed there. Nika Jan 2013 #69

"Any guns, No shirt, No shoes, No service" BlueStreak Jan 2013 #97

If only his leg had been better armed to defend itself Coyotl Jan 2013 #72

So..... Ian Iam Jan 2013 #75

I was here for the shooting and aftermath, but I left the premises and took a walk during the time Nika Jan 2013 #84

Still there per last post. Coyotl Jan 2013 #85

OMG libodem Jan 2013 #76

I love it! UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #77

GunNUT Has Trouble Negotiating the Toilet..Shoots Self triplepoint Jan 2013 #88

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LOL ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #90

Hey, don't mock this HERO pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #108

He is indeed a legend in his own mind. Nika Feb 2013 #235

Oddly, that's not surprising pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #238

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Anything that can ricochet is a bad thing. Someone else could have been killed. n/t vaberella Jan 2013 #95

Small wonder he didn't bleed to death. Aristus Jan 2013 #96

Can't these people be sued? Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #98

If it had struck something else... he might of needed a bigger gun!! (nt) OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #102

It seems like I keep reading this story over and over again. Kalidurga Jan 2013 #104

Sounds like he's more of an "open casket" activist Zambero Jan 2013 #106

keep up the good work, 2A activists! frylock Jan 2013 #107

Was he vigorously stroking his piece when it went off? eom MyNameGoesHere Jan 2013 #128

LOL! City Lights Jan 2013 #131

LOL, the stupidity just makes me have to laugh. nt Raine Jan 2013 #129

This prick should have to pay back the taxpayer $$$ that paid the police and paramedics. TroglodyteScholar Jan 2013 #132

-_- JaneyVee Feb 2013 #136

I am so glad you're alright. nt Claybrains Feb 2013 #137

And of course the worthless fucker got everybody else involved in his fucked up shit NBachers Feb 2013 #141

Thankfully no one else was hurt. Chorophyll Feb 2013 #144

was he wearing clean underwear? snooper2 Feb 2013 #146

Not any more. nt pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #150

his cut off clothes, including his jockey shorts were in the plastic bag the fireman secured in the Nika Feb 2013 #237

Nice shootin', Tex! Hulk Feb 2013 #148

The only person who can stop a dumbass with a gun... rateyes Feb 2013 #149

All I can say is ... jimlup Feb 2013 #165

Obviously, we need MORE guns in bathrooms, lucky he didn't shoot his grahamhgreen Feb 2013 #168

Every bathroom stall should have an armed police guard posted. harmonicon Feb 2013 #176

shot himself timdog44 Feb 2013 #178

How long before one of these idiots accidentally hurts or kills an innocent person? drm604 Feb 2013 #181

Already happens, just doesn't make national news. JHB Feb 2013 #183

Lucky Squaredeal Feb 2013 #184

Message auto-removed PointZeroZeroOne Feb 2013 #185

Perhaps you can ask the cafe to post "no gun" signs to discourage IdaBriggs Feb 2013 #186

Oh wow. MynameisBlarney Feb 2013 #188

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Too bad he didn't shoot his balls off . . . MrModerate Feb 2013 #190

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(Rimshot!) n/t MrModerate Feb 2013 #275

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He took a leak. Or an ammo dump. Blue Owl Feb 2013 #211

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He Needs Another Gun To Protect Himself From His Gun! Skraxx Feb 2013 #216

Who's paying for ER care? Ubix Feb 2013 #226

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Average cost to treat a gunshot wound was $38,000 according to a 2006 study. PA Democrat Feb 2013 #241

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open carry SemperEadem Feb 2013 #228

The bullet is in the ceiling after going through the wall to the room three of us were in. Nika Feb 2013 #230

I'm glad that you and other patrons were not hurt SemperEadem Feb 2013 #258

Well put, thank you. Nika Feb 2013 #282

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the phrase "poetic justice" comes to mind 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #288

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Quick quiz. What flavor turntable is that..... wandy Feb 2013 #285

Oh, man, you got me there pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #286

Alert the Creationists! Proof positive of Evolution! Walk away Feb 2013 #273

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Barney Fife? Rhiannon12866 Feb 2013 #287

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