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Cirsium

(4,302 posts)
32. "Mark my words..."
Thu Jun 11, 2026, 05:32 PM
Jun 11

I don't think you're actually responding to what the first poster said.

They didn't say Trump was omnipotent. They didn't say the states were powerless. Did anyone here say either of those things? I think not. They didn't say martial law would be successful or that the entire country would simply comply. I don't think anyone here said either of those things, either. They said Trump would declare it, and that he viewed that possibility as a serious threat. Those are different claims.

It is certainly within the powers of the presidency to declare emergencies, invoke extraordinary authorities, and deploy troops domestically. Whether those actions would withstand legal challenge is another matter. They almost certainly would be challenged. But the fact that they might ultimately fail doesn't mean they aren't a threat.

More importantly, it isn't necessary to impose nationwide martial law to affect election outcomes.

The efforts we've already seen haven't been randomly distributed across the country. The allegations of fraud, the pressure campaigns, the focus on election officials, and the push to place "observers" at polling places have repeatedly been concentrated in places like Fulton County, Georgia, and Wayne County, Michigan—electorally significant jurisdictions with large Democratic constituencies. You don't have to control every polling place in America to influence an election. You target leverage points.

January 6 changed many people's estimates of what is possible. That doesn't mean Trump will attempt something similar again. But neither can we confidently say that he won't. So I don't think the choices are "It definitely will happen" or "It definitely won't happen."

The existence of courts, states, and institutional pushback doesn't eliminate the threat. It means the outcome isn't predetermined. Those are not the same thing.

I understand the impulse to push back against panic and paranoia. There are legitimate reasons for doing so. Fear can lead people to fatalism, disengagement, recklessness, and the belief that outcomes are inevitable. Institutions do matter. Courts matter. States matter. Voters are not powerless. Not every alarming prediction comes true.

At the same time, over the last ten years I've repeatedly heard variations of "Don't be silly. That won't happen."

Don't be silly, he wouldn't send troops into American cities.

Don't be silly, he wouldn't try to overturn the 2020 election.

Don't be silly, he wouldn't encourage a mob to march on the Capitol.

Don't be silly, he wouldn't ignore a court order.

There are many other examples. One thing we can say about the Trump administration is that again and again, they do things that were previously unthinkable.

• A president wouldn't openly encourage efforts to overturn a certified election.
• A president wouldn't summon supporters to Washington and then direct them toward the Capitol while Congress was counting electoral votes.
• A president wouldn't repeatedly refuse to commit to accepting election results.
• A president wouldn't publicly pressure state officials to "find" votes.
• A president wouldn't speak casually about using troops domestically.
• A president wouldn't flirt so openly with ignoring norms that had constrained previous administrations.

Many things once dismissed as unimaginable have, in fact, happened. So when someone says with complete certainty, "Mark my words, he absolutely won't do this," I find that confidence harder to share than I once did. I believe that is true for many.

That doesn't mean I think every alarming prediction will come true. It doesn't mean Trump is omnipotent or that the states and courts are powerless. It means experience has changed my estimate of what is possible.

I don't think complacency is any more justified than panic. The existence of institutional constraints doesn't eliminate the threat. It means the outcome isn't predetermined. To me, that's exactly why people should pay attention and remain engaged.

if you want to talk about a real long shot, a real impossibility, how about the Leafs getting into the Stanley Cup finals?

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I'd like to see him try n/t leftstreet Jun 11 #1
Agreed. Even WITH ice and a nationalized guard, he doesnt have enough cops. Volaris Jun 11 #27
I'd like to see him try tearing down the White House, ha! orthoclad Jun 11 #34
Ok BannonsLiver Jun 11 #2
Our role Cirsium Jun 11 #3
We've normalized our disbelief orthoclad Jun 11 #36
To Serve Man - It's A Cook Book! Cirsium Jun 11 #50
There's always the hope he has a big stroke before. Omnipresent Jun 11 #4
The Natsie Guard will be called out TommyT139 Jun 11 #14
Seems one of a million potential outcomes Torchlight Jun 11 #5
Mark my words, he will NOT Fiendish Thingy Jun 11 #6
Not only that, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 11 #7
The worst thing for Trump would be to TRY to put in place martial law 31j20b3 Jun 11 #9
He wouldn't need to actively enforce such... Wuddles440 Jun 11 #16
Nope, not going to happen Fiendish Thingy Jun 11 #18
I applaud your idealism and optimism, Wuddles440 Jun 11 #25
We must remain firmly in the reality based community Fiendish Thingy Jun 11 #29
Incompetence and failure? Cirsium Jun 11 #33
How are you preparing? Mad_Machine76 Jun 11 #51
Quite simply I'm making preparations... Wuddles440 Jun 11 #53
Usual excluded middle nonsense dpibel Jun 11 #54
Trump would have to be omnipotent or nearly so to declare martial law and cancel elections Sympthsical Jun 12 #61
"Mark my words..." Cirsium Jun 11 #32
fer xrist sakes, he tried to run a coup, then orthoclad Jun 11 #37
hear, hear Cirsium Jun 11 #49
I only regret that I have but one rec dpibel Jun 11 #55
Do you think that he might try it in blue states, or wnylib Jun 11 #52
For the bajillionth time... Fiendish Thingy Jun 12 #56
Past behavior included J6. wnylib Jun 12 #57
Past behaviour includes the 2018 midterms Fiendish Thingy Jun 12 #58
Unrec ProfessorGAC Jun 11 #8
I would not say the OP's fears are totally unfounded. Oneironaut Jun 11 #15
File Under "Anything Is Possible" ProfessorGAC Jun 11 #19
They are an evil clown car of goat rodeo rejects Fiendish Thingy Jun 11 #20
Yup. Thank goodness. Oneironaut Jun 11 #22
Their interference will be from the same playbook as years past Fiendish Thingy Jun 11 #23
Failures? He's done a pretty good job of orthoclad Jun 11 #38
Indeed, He has gotten richer Fiendish Thingy Jun 11 #47
120 Iranian schoolgirls would disagree. orthoclad Jun 14 #62
Disagree with what? Fiendish Thingy Jun 14 #63
whew orthoclad Jun 14 #66
Can't miss a point that isn't there Fiendish Thingy Jun 14 #67
Did you see the post office announce they want master lists from the states about questionseverything Jun 11 #28
I Don't Put Anything Past Them ProfessorGAC Jun 11 #31
No Manatee Jun 11 #10
I'm beta-testing my newest moderate centrist slogan: "Eff him with a rusty chain saw" struggle4progress Jun 11 #11
You left out the first part: Fiendish Thingy Jun 11 #24
find a consensus on developing policies going forward orthoclad Jun 11 #39
Point of order. mr715 Jun 11 #42
Do you know what "martial law" is? onenote Jun 11 #12
Thank you. MarineCombatEngineer Jun 11 #21
Wait, WHAATT?!? Fiendish Thingy Jun 11 #30
Ah. I feel much better now. orthoclad Jun 11 #40
I used to think this about a year ago, but, he seems stripped of power now. Oneironaut Jun 11 #13
Maybe "less likely" but still in play. orthoclad Jun 11 #41
Anybody can declare anything Shrek Jun 11 #17
He's a ratfucker and will do everything he can to fight disclosure of the Epstein files Ponietz Jun 11 #26
It wouldn't be "martial law", maybe just orthoclad Jun 11 #43
Or maybe just World War 3 or some such for that matter Ponietz Jun 11 #45
Hmm. He's not the only one orthoclad Jun 11 #46
He might try. Kid Berwyn Jun 11 #35
The military might have done that before the Hogbreath purges. orthoclad Jun 11 #44
I will crawl over broken glass and barbed wire to vote against the Trump / Murdoch / Heritage cabal. Initech Jun 11 #48
If you don't think The Bopper Jun 12 #59
Uh, no, he can't. MarineCombatEngineer Jun 14 #65
Yeah, well -- should he choose to ride the tiger, he will not enjoy the inevitable dismount struggle4progress Jun 12 #60
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