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Metaphorical

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51. Data Centers are not getting built
Sat Jun 6, 2026, 02:34 PM
4 hrs ago

at the rate that the hyperscalars need them to be. Banks are refusing to underwrite more loans for them, because they're already sitting on a lot of existing data center debt that they are now believing may not be recoverable. Local opposition is also rising, and states are placing strong restrictions on where and how they can be built, especially as environmental and economic impacts can start being assessed, and this in turn is also scaling down the size of these centers.

I expect the Anthropic IPO to do well, especially if they are first out of the gate. I think SpaceX and OpenAI will be duds - there will be a flurry of interest initially, but a lot of people are going to hold a lot of worthless stock, and it's then that things get interesting.

Right now, what's happening with the market is that about a dozen stocks are keeping the rest of the market afloat. A lot of the accounting is dodgy - circular financing, special purpose vehicles (SPVs). SpaceX in particular holds most of Musk's failed projects - including X, Xai, and I believe his robotics company (that one may have been folded into Tesla). This means that there's going to be a massive continued drain on the company; profitability may eventually come (perhaps around 2100), but I wouldn't count on it.

As to the market itself, I keep hearing about how the exchanges have protected themselves against big collapses. The problem with that is that this also distorts the real purpose of the markets, which is to ascertain the value of stocks and (by extension) their associated companies. It also means that you end up having to provide back-end government capital to keep the markets from functioning the way that they should. Given this market, I expect it will be an opportunity for Trump and his cronies to enrich himself while letting the market collapse.That's why I'm not so sure that the market won't go through a collapse - it's a way for the uber-wealthy to buy up everything at fire sale prices.

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Sold my last 3 stocks. Moved money to a multigraincracker Thursday #1
You may be right edhopper Thursday #2
If the Democrats win back Congress this fall I predict a stock market correction. yardwork Thursday #4
Trump will still be President edhopper Thursday #22
There are no crashes anymore. Market is rigged and irrational GreatGazoo Thursday #3
That kind of rigging can't hold forever paulkienitz Thursday #11
and yet here we are GreatGazoo Thursday #15
Something I think a lot of folks are missing are structural changes in the market. Happy Hoosier Yesterday #43
Have had similar thoughts GreatGazoo Yesterday #44
Yeah, lots of folks specualte about that kind of stuff... Happy Hoosier Yesterday #45
The issue is how many times have we been told to leave the market? Melon Thursday #5
Yeah, that's where I am ITAL Thursday #8
It took six years to recover edhopper Thursday #23
Six years isn't that long for me ITAL Thursday #24
Or get out now and edhopper Thursday #28
Preferably you are cost averaging. Melon Thursday #32
There are other investments edhopper Thursday #33
If you took your money out in 2007 edhopper Yesterday #40
Right. And if you bought a house in Florida in 2018 Melon 7 hrs ago #48
In general yes edhopper 7 hrs ago #49
Exactly. You can't ignore warnings this big and loud. paulkienitz 4 hrs ago #52
The amount of investment edhopper 4 hrs ago #54
No it's not "just as risky". paulkienitz Thursday #9
Ill gotten ponzy...huh? You mean investment returns. Melon Thursday #21
"others success"? There is no success to profit from in AI. paulkienitz Thursday #25
Go read what Sam Altman is saying. Uber and Melon Thursday #31
That math doesn't math -- companies will not pay enough. paulkienitz Yesterday #34
Data Centers are not getting built Metaphorical 4 hrs ago #51
Those backstops trying to hold up the market are going to have their work cut out for them. paulkienitz 4 hrs ago #53
WSJ and Gallup did a story looking at how Democrat voters are losing money GreatGazoo Thursday #16
"Democratic." The adjective form is "Democratic." ColoringFool Thursday #17
I could have put a hyphen in there but noun GreatGazoo Thursday #20
No Johnny2X2X Thursday #6
I've heard that song before. paulkienitz Thursday #10
We've been waiting decades for a bubble Johnny2X2X Thursday #12
Index funds are like 50% AI bubble now. paulkienitz Thursday #14
9 years ago when I joined DU, people were saying that Bitcoin would burst and go to near zero Polybius Yesterday #36
Bitcoin will either sputter on for decades, or go almost instantaneously to zero at any time -- it's not predictable. paulkienitz Yesterday #37
People are predicting the market is holding on Johonny Thursday #7
I turned some investments into a newer and larger house CanonRay Thursday #13
I'll just keep my NVIDIA,TYVM. ColoringFool Thursday #18
Jensen Huang is pulling sooo many circular-financing fast ones... paulkienitz Thursday #19
Heard the same shit from Thom Hartmann a few years back Ziggy Beans Thursday #26
That same lie was told before the last two crashes. paulkienitz Thursday #29
imho Fat gains should be pruned. Rotation is underway. bucolic_frolic Thursday #27
Simple.... multigraincracker Thursday #30
More apropos to the current situation, index funds do the opposite. paulkienitz Yesterday #38
I think that's a terrible prediction Polybius Yesterday #35
"doesnt crash anymore" paulkienitz Yesterday #39
Lol imagine taking investment advive from a panicked, anonymous internet poster. BannonsLiver Yesterday #41
I am hardly alone in pointing out how remarkably huge and smelly an elephant is currently in the room. paulkienitz 19 hrs ago #47
Or not Happy Hoosier Yesterday #42
I have no intention of trying to call tops and bottoms. I just want to avoid big crashes. paulkienitz 20 hrs ago #46
If you depend upon the money... Happy Hoosier 3 hrs ago #55
His mistake was not when he got out edhopper 7 hrs ago #50
But hindsight is 20/20. Happy Hoosier 3 hrs ago #56
At that point, after a massive crash edhopper 3 hrs ago #57
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