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Happy Hoosier

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43. Something I think a lot of folks are missing are structural changes in the market.
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 11:50 AM
19 hrs ago

In 2000 passive trading (trading in index funds) was less than 10% of the market. In 2012, it was about 25%. In 2026, it's over 50%. in 2012, about 30% of the total market was help in passive investments. That is now about 60%.

Mechanical investing (where investors make purchases regardless of market conditions) is now the dominant trade. That includes me, and pretty much anyone with a 401K in equities. Twice a month, about 14% of my salary goes towards purchasing index funds.... whther the markets are up, down, or sideways. Realistically, it's the only way I can build actual financial independence. I'll has SS, and a small pension, but that's "keep the lights on" money, not the kind of retirement I've been working for (at least in my head).

With mechanical investing making up so much of the market, there is a strong impetus to follow trends, which tends to increase volatility, but these same automatic investing algorithms also have a strong "buy the dip" element, which tends to feed the strong V-shaped recoveries we've seen and then the trend algoritms take over again.

Does that mean markets cannot crash? Nope. The weakness of the this means that the market is more vulnerable to unemployment and inflation. If mechanical investors are laid off, they stop contributing to their 401K's, and the built in demand decreases. If they are forced to withdraw 401K money due to job loss and inflation, the fund MUST sell, regardless of market conditions. That could be a disastrous cycle, if it's big enough.

So my thinking is no crash in the immediate future. Keep an eye on unemployment and inflation numbers. That's where the risk is. I still think we'll see an AI correction, but not at dot.com bubble levels. But what do I know... I'm just a guy on the internet trying to make enough return to retire!

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You may be right edhopper Thursday #2
If the Democrats win back Congress this fall I predict a stock market correction. yardwork Thursday #4
Trump will still be President edhopper Thursday #22
There are no crashes anymore. Market is rigged and irrational GreatGazoo Thursday #3
That kind of rigging can't hold forever paulkienitz Thursday #11
and yet here we are GreatGazoo Thursday #15
Something I think a lot of folks are missing are structural changes in the market. Happy Hoosier 19 hrs ago #43
Have had similar thoughts GreatGazoo 18 hrs ago #44
Yeah, lots of folks specualte about that kind of stuff... Happy Hoosier 18 hrs ago #45
The issue is how many times have we been told to leave the market? Melon Thursday #5
Yeah, that's where I am ITAL Thursday #8
It took six years to recover edhopper Thursday #23
Six years isn't that long for me ITAL Thursday #24
Or get out now and edhopper Thursday #28
Preferably you are cost averaging. Melon Thursday #32
There are other investments edhopper Thursday #33
If you took your money out in 2007 edhopper 19 hrs ago #40
No it's not "just as risky". paulkienitz Thursday #9
Ill gotten ponzy...huh? You mean investment returns. Melon Thursday #21
"others success"? There is no success to profit from in AI. paulkienitz Thursday #25
Go read what Sam Altman is saying. Uber and Melon Thursday #31
That math doesn't math -- companies will not pay enough. paulkienitz Yesterday #34
WSJ and Gallup did a story looking at how Democrat voters are losing money GreatGazoo Thursday #16
"Democratic." The adjective form is "Democratic." ColoringFool Thursday #17
I could have put a hyphen in there but noun GreatGazoo Thursday #20
No Johnny2X2X Thursday #6
I've heard that song before. paulkienitz Thursday #10
We've been waiting decades for a bubble Johnny2X2X Thursday #12
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Simple.... multigraincracker Thursday #30
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"doesnt crash anymore" paulkienitz Yesterday #39
Lol imagine taking investment advive from a panicked, anonymous internet poster. BannonsLiver 19 hrs ago #41
I am hardly alone in pointing out how remarkably huge and smelly an elephant is currently in the room. paulkienitz 7 hrs ago #47
Or not Happy Hoosier 19 hrs ago #42
I have no intention of trying to call tops and bottoms. I just want to avoid big crashes. paulkienitz 7 hrs ago #46
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