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31. you might not find it as funny if I did the same dishonest and demeaning thing
Tue May 12, 2026, 09:39 PM
May 12

...the glee in this is positively passive aggressive and just completely offensive, despite your cheerynessess in tearing me down along with your faint praise.

You got a reply to your query, not an invitation to make biased projections about what I believe. But having done so, the deftness in which you claim things about what I've written here (well out of context and evidenced only in your mind in this thread) is quite a thing to behold.

I suggest you restrict those disagreements with what I've written in the past to those threads you're referencing, and not attempt to carry on those disagreements here.

Nothing I wrote in response to your posit suggests I believe you shouldn't criticize any politician. What I have written is much more nuanced than this cherrypicked characterization of my beliefs, as if you can only communicate with a fallen thread.

Indeed, you have my actual beliefs right in front of you, in response to your suggestion that Democrats do the same navelgazing backbiting over Israel in the upcoming election that lost us the last one.

You're certainly free to do that counterproductive thing and promote it as you have here. I'm certainly free to disagree that the issue that dissuaded many Democrats from supporting the ONLY choice other than trump in that election should be made prominent in this one.

I don't agree that Israel is more important than, say, ICE and their terrorizing of my community. I believe that intractable issue and debate should center on republican responsibility as a majority, and the contrast on that issue couldn't be greater.

But that doesn't appear to be the concern here.

It seems as if the aim is to use the election to elevate what you believe should happen in Israel/Gaza by casting blame and responsibility on the party out of power; the party that is diametrically opposed to what Netenyahu has done; and similarly opposed to what republicans have abdicated in their legislative role.

I don't get it. It's politically fraught and already evidenced as a losing proposition for Democratic campaigns. What's the problem here with taking this fight to the party that's actually standing in the way of accountability and control over their own prerogative to wage war?

Why this projected speciousness against the minority party which we all know would act responsibly toward Israel, have always represented the will of most Americans toward that sovereign nation?

And then, to transpose all of that onto Democrats, both present and future? What happened to opposing republicans who have repeatedly voted in huge numbers to let Trump continue his war on at the behest of Netenyahu?

Why isn't highlighting those votes, that Democrats have demanded repeatedly, a better political campaign appeal than this ass-out strategy that supposes we've done something wrong?

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On a Rainy Day [View all] H2O Man May 9 OP
Individually Saoirse9 May 10 #1
A number of things. H2O Man May 10 #6
When was Dick Cheney "ushered on stage" to endorse? What event was that? betsuni May 10 #2
Okay. H2O Man May 10 #7
you obviously don't see the virtue in enabling the election of a white supremacist, criminal madman bigtree May 12 #24
My brains shut down when I try to understand it. betsuni May 13 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author betsuni May 13 #43
"It is essential that we have a conversation on this complicated issue" Martin Eden May 10 #3
Very good! H2O Man May 10 #8
One Word Martin Eden May 10 #4
it's a hard conversation to have. mopinko May 10 #5
It has been a long while that I have seen so many of Israel's talking points summarized so well and succinctly. AloeVera May 10 #9
It definitely is hard. H2O Man May 11 #11
i absolutely wish that jews believed in hell, mopinko May 11 #13
Thank you! H2O Man May 11 #15
Good OP malaise May 10 #10
Thank you! H2O Man May 11 #12
interesting bigtree May 11 #14
Interesting. H2O Man May 11 #16
I think you can find numerous statements and actions by Sen. Schumer, if you look, that condem every objectional aspect bigtree May 11 #17
Very good. H2O Man May 11 #18
this is false bigtree May 12 #21
Gracious! H2O Man May 12 #22
that has nothing at all to do with what you claimed is my belief bigtree May 12 #23
Sure it does. H2O Man May 12 #25
well, you go on and tell me what I believe bigtree May 12 #27
Golly. H2O Man May 12 #28
responding to your continued effort to tell me what I believe bigtree May 12 #29
You are funny! H2O Man May 12 #30
you might not find it as funny if I did the same dishonest and demeaning thing bigtree May 12 #31
I think that H2O Man May 12 #32
I think it's sad that you can't find something that actually affects Americans to prioritize in the next election bigtree May 12 #33
Comic genius! H2O Man May 12 #34
like I said bigtree May 12 #35
Ha! H2O Man May 12 #36
lol, sweating 'Robert' bigtree May 13 #37
I have never H2O Man May 13 #38
there you go again, claiming I said things I haven't said or implied bigtree May 13 #39
You are confused. H2O Man May 13 #40
the hubris in representing to me that you know ANYTHING substantive about what I believe bigtree May 13 #44
Catch-22, denialism and a few other things... AloeVera May 11 #19
Americans were divided on that conflict bigtree May 12 #20
The attempts at restraint failed because there was little behind them to make them serious. AloeVera May 13 #41
I think you're assuming levers of influence that didn't exist for Biden bigtree May 13 #45
I am reminded H2O Man May 12 #26
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