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betsuni

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212. The key: 100% confidence one is 100% correct, obviously morally righteously correct.

Wed Feb 18, 2026, 12:34 AM

7 hrs ago

Anyone on the right side of history and progressive agrees, so disagreeing doesn't mean having another opinion or making a mistake, they're THEM (posse swarm cheerleaders both sides), the enemy out to get and silence innocent victims speaking truth to power (the smartest in the room of blind loyalist sheep (the "brainless loyalists" who search for facts before bashing Democrats as spineless corrupt cavers throwing towels in cahoots with Republicans without a shred of evidence except emotion)).

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It is not an act of loyalty to quash conversations about our own party's role in getting to where we are today. [View all] Scrivener7 22 hrs ago OP

Maybe that's why EarlG gave us The Way Forward forum. quaint 22 hrs ago #1

The posting rules are the same everywhere on DU EarlG 19 hrs ago #84

A concern is, snot 9 hrs ago #202

To answer your questions EarlG 8 hrs ago #209

Get a candidate who supports those things to run in a primary creeksneakers2 7 hrs ago #211

It's a bit tricky... ._. 22 hrs ago #2

Yup, what Jason Crow said last week on TV gab13by13 22 hrs ago #7

Sorry, it's not the Democratic Party. It's Republican voters, third party voters, and petulant nonvoters lapucelle 22 hrs ago #3

Kamala Harris won the election. gab13by13 22 hrs ago #6

Yup, pedo Trump cheated on the vote count Farmer-Rick 21 hrs ago #30

That's a perfect way to keep losing iemanja 6 hrs ago #213

Yup! yellow dahlia 19 hrs ago #77

I'm noticing JustAnotherGen 22 hrs ago #9

I can count the leftists I've actually corresponded with online TBF 19 hrs ago #93

I can't do that JustAnotherGen 18 hrs ago #119

Can you "be in community" with Donald Trump? TBF 17 hrs ago #140

I disagree JustAnotherGen 17 hrs ago #145

What is "Magapub/CSA" - TBF 16 hrs ago #159

Magapub JustAnotherGen 16 hrs ago #163

I am old school labor - originally from Wisconsin TBF 14 hrs ago #179

And maga-pub IS NOT a political party---- it is a criminal domestic terrorist organization Jack Valentino 8 hrs ago #207

What does any of this mean...Demanding concessions?...Taking up arms against each other? PeaceWave 15 hrs ago #166

Full Disclosure - I'm in NJ JustAnotherGen 17 hrs ago #149

This insists that any change must come from our opposition. Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #36

I work hard, every single year, to elect Democrats in races big and small. lapucelle 21 hrs ago #45

I think we here all work hard to elect Democrats. And we have been doing so for years. And yet, here we are. Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #48

Work harder to shut down opposition narratives, most especially those from purists and punishers lapucelle 20 hrs ago #52

Which, by definition, has nothing to do with shutting down discussions on DU. Scrivener7 20 hrs ago #53

To begin with, expressing an opinion on a topic is not "shutting down discussion" on a topic. lapucelle 20 hrs ago #66

Really? Cirsium 19 hrs ago #92

That's an odd definition of "purist". lapucelle 19 hrs ago #99

Exactly Cirsium 19 hrs ago #117

Even given the definitional problems (and notwithstanding the random use of latin), lapucelle 18 hrs ago #127

hi back Cirsium 18 hrs ago #128

Recognizing a Latin word and saying your conclusion doesn't follow from your premises is not an argument either Ilikepurple 11 hrs ago #198

I didn't take that as an attack JustAnotherGen 13 hrs ago #180

agreed Cirsium 13 hrs ago #183

We shouldn't "shut down" speech Just_Vote_Dem 19 hrs ago #97

Couldn't agree more with you more Scrivener. choie 21 hrs ago #49

It's defining the mistakes JustAnotherGen 13 hrs ago #181

Personally... Chemical Bill 12 hrs ago #190

I agree with you 100% Scrivener7. It is not a fluke that we are in this mess. flashman13 20 hrs ago #71

I'm really looking forward to the primaries too. We have an incredible bench, and Scrivener7 20 hrs ago #73

You are? Divergent views within our own party might lead to hurt feelings afterwards. PeaceWave 8 hrs ago #208

+1 leftstreet 19 hrs ago #103

Joe Biden WAS a great President. Chemical Bill 12 hrs ago #193

Well said. Thank you again! KPN 18 hrs ago #132

Isn't amazing that SocialDemocrat61 21 hrs ago #40

Thanks for illustrating the problem. FoxNewsSucks 20 hrs ago #65

The problem is Trump and republicans SocialDemocrat61 20 hrs ago #75

I have never seen anyone here say that Democrats are the enemy FoxNewsSucks 19 hrs ago #78

Good SocialDemocrat61 19 hrs ago #88

And what Scrivener is asking is HOW did we get here? CrispyQ 19 hrs ago #100

We got here because of Republicans SocialDemocrat61 19 hrs ago #110

So was it an attack or not? Ilikepurple 12 hrs ago #192

Have a nice day SocialDemocrat61 11 hrs ago #194

What are you doing? Cirsium 19 hrs ago #94

Have a nice day! SocialDemocrat61 19 hrs ago #98

With deliberate misrepresentation MorbidButterflyTat 19 hrs ago #109

Have a nice day! SocialDemocrat61 19 hrs ago #111

Unrec. This is why we can't have nice things. TBF 19 hrs ago #112

It's the Democratic Party which nominates candidates which voters either accept or reject Jose Garcia 17 hrs ago #154

With the (somewhat) arguable exception of 2024, voters choose the candidates. lapucelle 16 hrs ago #165

Mahalo, lapucelle! Some seem to forget Cha 15 hrs ago #170

Thank you for this thread, gab13by13 22 hrs ago #4

I'm firmly in the FIGHT NOW group. n/t PatrickforB 21 hrs ago #34

Same here. And I'm highly suspect of the motives of anyone demanding we do otherwise. FoxNewsSucks 20 hrs ago #67

Careful! Floyd R. Turbo 22 hrs ago #5

Yep. And that's the problem. This has nothing to do with criticizing Democrats. It has to do with looking at Scrivener7 22 hrs ago #8

Jason Crow backs up your thread, gab13by13 21 hrs ago #19

I'm with you right up until the part about nominating a republican. But I get your point. Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #22

Miles Taylor has no political experience and we know karynnj 21 hrs ago #38

Not fair comparing Miles Taylor with Liz Cheney, gab13by13 20 hrs ago #57

I will listen to him but just based on what you said MadameButterfly 20 hrs ago #63

I remember all the support here for Michael Avenatti for a presidential run. MichMan 20 hrs ago #64

That doesn't mean we shouldn't want fighters, FoxNewsSucks 20 hrs ago #68

I remember it and thinking it beyond stupid karynnj 20 hrs ago #74

While I'm grateful to Conservatives who have drawn a line and chosen to MadameButterfly 20 hrs ago #62

nominating a REPUKE? Skittles 6 hrs ago #217

If we don't look at the issues of the Dem structure, and question it, then we are in a cult... yellow dahlia 19 hrs ago #81

If you look at my sig line JustAnotherGen 22 hrs ago #10

They want all poor people dead, depopulation is a part of Project 2025. gab13by13 21 hrs ago #20

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever Ping Tung 22 hrs ago #11

"I am a Christian and a Democrat. That's all": FDR, when asked to define his political philosophy. lapucelle 21 hrs ago #21

That was his choice. That's what democracy is supposed to be about...choice. Ping Tung 21 hrs ago #26

Yes, folks choose to vote for Republicans or third-party candidates or to withhold any vote as punishment lapucelle 18 hrs ago #120

And add mainstream media to that list Just_Vote_Dem 18 hrs ago #125

Just as there's nothing wrong calling out the politicians who support or vote for Ping Tung 17 hrs ago #143

Sir, this is a Wendy's Johnny2X2X 22 hrs ago #12

I'm not talking about ripping on Dems and I'm not talking about anything that violates the TOS. Scrivener7 22 hrs ago #13

I'd be willing to bet that the same posters jumping all over you also FoxNewsSucks 20 hrs ago #69

I actually express hatred JustAnotherGen 13 hrs ago #184

Fire the strategists and consultant class, The party needs to stop making the same mistakes. yellow dahlia 19 hrs ago #86

YES! The 'strategists' and 'Consultants" don't seem to have Bettie 17 hrs ago #137

That really is at the base of all of it. Scrivener7 17 hrs ago #144

The other thing that would make a HUGE difference Bettie 17 hrs ago #146

Indeed. yellow dahlia 13 hrs ago #186

Any time we stop speaking truth, we benefit those who want to hide the truth. hamsterjill 22 hrs ago #14

Yours is a great post also, gab13by13 21 hrs ago #23

Thank you. hamsterjill 21 hrs ago #24

Agreed! yellow dahlia 19 hrs ago #87

It's just demographics Sympthsical 22 hrs ago #15

But at this point, none of us is. I'm that comfortable boomer you describe. Scrivener7 22 hrs ago #16

Absolutely Sympthsical 21 hrs ago #27

Cheerleaders, the party is always right, swarm, posse, toe the line, echo chamber, blind loyalty, marching in lockstep, betsuni 22 hrs ago #17

And supposedly, MorbidButterflyTat 19 hrs ago #116

. SunImp 18 hrs ago #131

Finding out facts instead of leaping to negative conclusions about Democrats is mocked as mindless loyalty. Projection. betsuni 16 hrs ago #164

We failed to read history, but it's only now that history is understood at all bucolic_frolic 22 hrs ago #18

Somewhat related to your OP, discussions quickly sink... harumph 21 hrs ago #25

So much yes to this! All those bad movies about evil conglomerates trying to rule the world? Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #29

My daughter quipped the other day - "Who knew the original Superman movie was a road map..." harumph 21 hrs ago #42

We are at a confluence of all the evil empire "Bond villain" types. yellow dahlia 19 hrs ago #90

Time for a paradigm shift. yellow dahlia 19 hrs ago #89

As I have said before: popsdenver 21 hrs ago #39

Amen, sis! demmiblue 21 hrs ago #28

I cleared my ignore list a while ago Bettie 17 hrs ago #142

Trump 2.0 could have been prevented by closing the border and having a normal primary dalton99a 21 hrs ago #31

Thank you! intheflow 21 hrs ago #32

I agree popsdenver 21 hrs ago #43

... SSJVegeta 21 hrs ago #33

In his diplomatic, inoffensive way, I think President Obama pointed the way Martin Eden 21 hrs ago #35

I make no bones about it JustAnotherGen 13 hrs ago #188

DURec leftstreet 21 hrs ago #37

For example, gab13by13 21 hrs ago #41

I think that's a perfect example because it's my opinion that, if Democratic leaders had not gotten so much Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #44

Yep, things changed Just_Vote_Dem 21 hrs ago #46

And it seems like it took a little outrage to convince them of the fact. Scrivener7 20 hrs ago #50

That's the problem in a nutshell. AloeVera 19 hrs ago #102

People are pissed at the wait-and-see say-nothing do-nothing approach. dalton99a 21 hrs ago #47

We're in a partial shutdown at the moment. lapucelle 19 hrs ago #113

Eight Democrats voted to end the fillibuster in October, ten in March. Scrivener7 18 hrs ago #126

Your vote counts in both instances are off by one. lapucelle 18 hrs ago #133

So a groundswell of constituent opinion has no effect on your elected officials? Scrivener7 18 hrs ago #134

Social media posts and constituent opinion are two very different things. N/T lapucelle 15 hrs ago #167

i completely agree with you. We should be able to speak freely if it is for constructive reason samsingh 20 hrs ago #51

That's a good example of a topic we should discuss in detail. Scrivener7 19 hrs ago #114

exactly - and given the power trump is wielding samsingh 18 hrs ago #121

So the lesson, which I hope we have learned, is that we release it all as soon as we are able. Scrivener7 18 hrs ago #122

there can be no healing until the crimes are punished samsingh 18 hrs ago #123

Concise and to the point. Well said. Escurumbele 20 hrs ago #54

100% Agree, Scrivener 7. If we can't see our own part in something we can't improve... johnnyplankton 20 hrs ago #55

Everything changes except one thing that was never addressed, and still isn't. usonian 20 hrs ago #56

It is important to note that WE elected our officials to represent us Grim Chieftain 20 hrs ago #58

That's why we have primaries SocialDemocrat61 20 hrs ago #60

And if they don't uphold the promises they made in the primaries? Grim Chieftain 20 hrs ago #70

Really depends on the promises they made SocialDemocrat61 20 hrs ago #76

And it doesn't need to be a fight. I made mistakes in my job. Scrivener7 19 hrs ago #79

Agreed. yellow dahlia 19 hrs ago #95

Wanting to learn from the past & do better in the future... CaptainTruth 20 hrs ago #59

Good Luck with that here. n/t ihaveaquestion 20 hrs ago #61

When do we rank-n-file types get to see the Election 2024 Postmortem? Kid Berwyn 20 hrs ago #72

Spot on! yellow dahlia 19 hrs ago #96

Yup Joinfortmill 19 hrs ago #80

This is what those finger-waggers really are FoxNewsSucks 19 hrs ago #82

I do think the DNC is starting to realize that much of the grass roots is really pissed at the party leadership Bluetus 19 hrs ago #83

I think recent events have provided us with a pretty extensive list of things we Scrivener7 19 hrs ago #85

I have a list. You have a list. The Party does not have a list. Bluetus 19 hrs ago #105

Please link to these threads: MorbidButterflyTat 19 hrs ago #91

There was one in particular this morning that was a good example. I can't link to it. For reasons I will not state. Scrivener7 19 hrs ago #107

Milquetoast, strongly worded letters, old guard, status quo, gerontocracy, Vichy Dems, Surrender Dems, betsuni 18 hrs ago #124

Good post Scrivener7, and a worthwhile question to ask. I feel the biggest mistake we may have made is to underestimate c-rational 19 hrs ago #101

Definitely. I agree with all of that. Scrivener7 19 hrs ago #115

Right? They see us as the enemy Bettie 17 hrs ago #147

Well said, Scrivener. yellow dahlia 19 hrs ago #104

What a great topic. Absent discussions like these, we Dems are merely REACTING to what the other side does. PeaceWave 19 hrs ago #106

I see the same cheerleaders on this thread. hamsterjill 19 hrs ago #108

I hear you. harumph 17 hrs ago #150

You are absolutely correct! hamsterjill 10 hrs ago #199

Our role in getting here today Quiet Em 18 hrs ago #118

Sadly, I think this is true. We have lost so much civil rights ground Scrivener7 17 hrs ago #139

I am 59 Bettie 17 hrs ago #151

The adults gulliver 18 hrs ago #129

The Democrats I know aren't lazy, neglectful OR self-indulgent. Scrivener7 18 hrs ago #135

"Romans and countrymen, lend me your ears?" gulliver 17 hrs ago #136

Thank you so much Scrivener. KPN 18 hrs ago #130

Great OP SunImp 17 hrs ago #138

Thank you for the thread canetoad 17 hrs ago #141

Loyalty means being willing to examine our own missteps Torchlight 17 hrs ago #148

It's not possible currently to discuss mistakes and we are doomed to repeat them again. Melon 17 hrs ago #152

How is it happening in Texas? SocialDemocrat61 16 hrs ago #156

Beto Melon 16 hrs ago #162

What's he running for? SocialDemocrat61 15 hrs ago #169

See Below Quote Melon 14 hrs ago #172

So what did Beto SocialDemocrat61 14 hrs ago #173

This thread is all about why we don't do that.... Melon 14 hrs ago #175

So who should run in Texas? SocialDemocrat61 14 hrs ago #176

This and your gatekeeping is the issue that prevents open discussion and improvement. Melon 14 hrs ago #177

I'm just trying to understand SocialDemocrat61 14 hrs ago #178

Why? Are you in Texas? Or are you trying to gatekeep? Melon 12 hrs ago #191

No, but am trying to understand what is going on In Texas. SocialDemocrat61 11 hrs ago #196

And I say again...go read the threads on Talarico or Crockett Melon 7 hrs ago #210

I was asking for your perspective SocialDemocrat61 6 hrs ago #215

I have a relative running for the Senate, so luckily Scrivener7 16 hrs ago #157

It has nothing to do with being loyal. It's about fighting back against (often) unfair and unwarranted criticism. W_HAMILTON 17 hrs ago #153

Well, "bullshit criticism" is in the eye of the beholder. Orrex 11 hrs ago #195

I may be late to this discussion, but I read it early this morning and just now thought I would add my 2cents. Ninga 16 hrs ago #155

We do not need to do this before midterms and publicly oldmanlynn 16 hrs ago #158

Suicidal has been the lack of transparency and free discussion Melon 16 hrs ago #161

The right time is always behind closed doors oldmanlynn 6 hrs ago #218

Absolutely agree! And I've noticed another of the cheerleaders' tactics: Orrex 16 hrs ago #160

That's not an accurate metaphor for your point EdmondDantes_ 13 hrs ago #187

Thanks, but I know what I've seen, and I'm ready to be judged Orrex 12 hrs ago #189

No I expressly don't. But you leap to that conclusion EdmondDantes_ 9 hrs ago #203

Let's just say that the discussion's been going on since before July 21, 2024 Orrex 9 hrs ago #204

And they feel just as strongly as you do about their name calling being calling it as they see it EdmondDantes_ 8 hrs ago #205

I've accused you of exactly nothing except joining the conversation late Orrex 8 hrs ago #206

The key: 100% confidence one is 100% correct, obviously morally righteously correct. betsuni 7 hrs ago #212

I would remark that biggest reason Dems "lost" Mblaze 15 hrs ago #168

Sounds like you have a problem with the jury system. LudwigPastorius 15 hrs ago #171

She just made the argument iemanja 6 hrs ago #214

I choose to belong to the Democratic party Progressive dog 14 hrs ago #174

I choose to exercise my democratic rights iemanja 6 hrs ago #216

Time and place. Zelda_Orchid 13 hrs ago #182

Based OP. BannonsLiver 13 hrs ago #185

The number of RECs, replies, and views to this OP shows just how important to the DU community... Ol Janx Spirit 11 hrs ago #197

I think we all have perspectives and ideas that have value, even if only to further a productive dialectic Ilikepurple 9 hrs ago #201

Absolutely agree & Thank You for saying it! 👍nt Raine 9 hrs ago #200