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166. What does any of this mean...Demanding concessions?...Taking up arms against each other?

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It is not an act of loyalty to quash conversations about our own party's role in getting to where we are today. [View all] Scrivener7 17 hrs ago OP

Maybe that's why EarlG gave us The Way Forward forum. quaint 17 hrs ago #1

The posting rules are the same everywhere on DU EarlG 14 hrs ago #84

A concern is, snot 4 hrs ago #202

To answer your questions EarlG 2 hrs ago #209

Get a candidate who supports those things to run in a primary creeksneakers2 1 hr ago #211

It's a bit tricky... ._. 17 hrs ago #2

Yup, what Jason Crow said last week on TV gab13by13 17 hrs ago #7

Sorry, it's not the Democratic Party. It's Republican voters, third party voters, and petulant nonvoters lapucelle 17 hrs ago #3

Kamala Harris won the election. gab13by13 17 hrs ago #6

Yup, pedo Trump cheated on the vote count Farmer-Rick 16 hrs ago #30

That's a perfect way to keep losing iemanja 1 hr ago #213

Yup! yellow dahlia 14 hrs ago #77

I'm noticing JustAnotherGen 17 hrs ago #9

I can count the leftists I've actually corresponded with online TBF 14 hrs ago #93

I can't do that JustAnotherGen 13 hrs ago #119

Can you "be in community" with Donald Trump? TBF 12 hrs ago #140

I disagree JustAnotherGen 12 hrs ago #145

What is "Magapub/CSA" - TBF 11 hrs ago #159

Magapub JustAnotherGen 10 hrs ago #163

I am old school labor - originally from Wisconsin TBF 8 hrs ago #179

And maga-pub IS NOT a political party---- it is a criminal domestic terrorist organization Jack Valentino 3 hrs ago #207

What does any of this mean...Demanding concessions?...Taking up arms against each other? PeaceWave 10 hrs ago #166

Full Disclosure - I'm in NJ JustAnotherGen 12 hrs ago #149

This insists that any change must come from our opposition. Scrivener7 15 hrs ago #36

I work hard, every single year, to elect Democrats in races big and small. lapucelle 15 hrs ago #45

I think we here all work hard to elect Democrats. And we have been doing so for years. And yet, here we are. Scrivener7 15 hrs ago #48

Work harder to shut down opposition narratives, most especially those from purists and punishers lapucelle 15 hrs ago #52

Which, by definition, has nothing to do with shutting down discussions on DU. Scrivener7 15 hrs ago #53

To begin with, expressing an opinion on a topic is not "shutting down discussion" on a topic. lapucelle 14 hrs ago #66

Really? Cirsium 14 hrs ago #92

That's an odd definition of "purist". lapucelle 14 hrs ago #99

Exactly Cirsium 13 hrs ago #117

Even given the definitional problems (and notwithstanding the random use of latin), lapucelle 13 hrs ago #127

hi back Cirsium 13 hrs ago #128

Recognizing a Latin word and saying your conclusion doesn't follow from your premises is not an argument either Ilikepurple 5 hrs ago #198

I didn't take that as an attack JustAnotherGen 8 hrs ago #180

agreed Cirsium 8 hrs ago #183

We shouldn't "shut down" speech Just_Vote_Dem 14 hrs ago #97

Couldn't agree more with you more Scrivener. choie 15 hrs ago #49

It's defining the mistakes JustAnotherGen 8 hrs ago #181

Personally... Chemical Bill 6 hrs ago #190

I agree with you 100% Scrivener7. It is not a fluke that we are in this mess. flashman13 14 hrs ago #71

I'm really looking forward to the primaries too. We have an incredible bench, and Scrivener7 14 hrs ago #73

You are? Divergent views within our own party might lead to hurt feelings afterwards. PeaceWave 3 hrs ago #208

+1 leftstreet 14 hrs ago #103

Joe Biden WAS a great President. Chemical Bill 6 hrs ago #193

Well said. Thank you again! KPN 12 hrs ago #132

Isn't amazing that SocialDemocrat61 15 hrs ago #40

Thanks for illustrating the problem. FoxNewsSucks 14 hrs ago #65

The problem is Trump and republicans SocialDemocrat61 14 hrs ago #75

I have never seen anyone here say that Democrats are the enemy FoxNewsSucks 14 hrs ago #78

Good SocialDemocrat61 14 hrs ago #88

And what Scrivener is asking is HOW did we get here? CrispyQ 14 hrs ago #100

We got here because of Republicans SocialDemocrat61 13 hrs ago #110

So was it an attack or not? Ilikepurple 6 hrs ago #192

Have a nice day SocialDemocrat61 6 hrs ago #194

What are you doing? Cirsium 14 hrs ago #94

Have a nice day! SocialDemocrat61 14 hrs ago #98

With deliberate misrepresentation MorbidButterflyTat 14 hrs ago #109

Have a nice day! SocialDemocrat61 13 hrs ago #111

Unrec. This is why we can't have nice things. TBF 13 hrs ago #112

It's the Democratic Party which nominates candidates which voters either accept or reject Jose Garcia 11 hrs ago #154

With the (somewhat) arguable exception of 2024, voters choose the candidates. lapucelle 10 hrs ago #165

Mahalo, lapucelle! Some seem to forget Cha 9 hrs ago #170

Thank you for this thread, gab13by13 17 hrs ago #4

I'm firmly in the FIGHT NOW group. n/t PatrickforB 16 hrs ago #34

Same here. And I'm highly suspect of the motives of anyone demanding we do otherwise. FoxNewsSucks 14 hrs ago #67

Careful! Floyd R. Turbo 17 hrs ago #5

Yep. And that's the problem. This has nothing to do with criticizing Democrats. It has to do with looking at Scrivener7 17 hrs ago #8

Jason Crow backs up your thread, gab13by13 16 hrs ago #19

I'm with you right up until the part about nominating a republican. But I get your point. Scrivener7 16 hrs ago #22

Miles Taylor has no political experience and we know karynnj 15 hrs ago #38

Not fair comparing Miles Taylor with Liz Cheney, gab13by13 15 hrs ago #57

I will listen to him but just based on what you said MadameButterfly 15 hrs ago #63

I remember all the support here for Michael Avenatti for a presidential run. MichMan 15 hrs ago #64

That doesn't mean we shouldn't want fighters, FoxNewsSucks 14 hrs ago #68

I remember it and thinking it beyond stupid karynnj 14 hrs ago #74

While I'm grateful to Conservatives who have drawn a line and chosen to MadameButterfly 15 hrs ago #62

nominating a REPUKE? Skittles 1 hr ago #217

If we don't look at the issues of the Dem structure, and question it, then we are in a cult... yellow dahlia 14 hrs ago #81

If you look at my sig line JustAnotherGen 16 hrs ago #10

They want all poor people dead, depopulation is a part of Project 2025. gab13by13 16 hrs ago #20

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever Ping Tung 16 hrs ago #11

"I am a Christian and a Democrat. That's all": FDR, when asked to define his political philosophy. lapucelle 16 hrs ago #21

That was his choice. That's what democracy is supposed to be about...choice. Ping Tung 16 hrs ago #26

Yes, folks choose to vote for Republicans or third-party candidates or to withhold any vote as punishment lapucelle 13 hrs ago #120

And add mainstream media to that list Just_Vote_Dem 13 hrs ago #125

Just as there's nothing wrong calling out the politicians who support or vote for Ping Tung 12 hrs ago #143

Sir, this is a Wendy's Johnny2X2X 16 hrs ago #12

I'm not talking about ripping on Dems and I'm not talking about anything that violates the TOS. Scrivener7 16 hrs ago #13

I'd be willing to bet that the same posters jumping all over you also FoxNewsSucks 14 hrs ago #69

I actually express hatred JustAnotherGen 8 hrs ago #184

Fire the strategists and consultant class, The party needs to stop making the same mistakes. yellow dahlia 14 hrs ago #86

YES! The 'strategists' and 'Consultants" don't seem to have Bettie 12 hrs ago #137

That really is at the base of all of it. Scrivener7 12 hrs ago #144

The other thing that would make a HUGE difference Bettie 12 hrs ago #146

Indeed. yellow dahlia 8 hrs ago #186

Any time we stop speaking truth, we benefit those who want to hide the truth. hamsterjill 16 hrs ago #14

Yours is a great post also, gab13by13 16 hrs ago #23

Thank you. hamsterjill 16 hrs ago #24

Agreed! yellow dahlia 14 hrs ago #87

It's just demographics Sympthsical 16 hrs ago #15

But at this point, none of us is. I'm that comfortable boomer you describe. Scrivener7 16 hrs ago #16

Absolutely Sympthsical 16 hrs ago #27

Cheerleaders, the party is always right, swarm, posse, toe the line, echo chamber, blind loyalty, marching in lockstep, betsuni 16 hrs ago #17

And supposedly, MorbidButterflyTat 13 hrs ago #116

. SunImp 12 hrs ago #131

Finding out facts instead of leaping to negative conclusions about Democrats is mocked as mindless loyalty. Projection. betsuni 10 hrs ago #164

We failed to read history, but it's only now that history is understood at all bucolic_frolic 16 hrs ago #18

Somewhat related to your OP, discussions quickly sink... harumph 16 hrs ago #25

So much yes to this! All those bad movies about evil conglomerates trying to rule the world? Scrivener7 16 hrs ago #29

My daughter quipped the other day - "Who knew the original Superman movie was a road map..." harumph 15 hrs ago #42

We are at a confluence of all the evil empire "Bond villain" types. yellow dahlia 14 hrs ago #90

Time for a paradigm shift. yellow dahlia 14 hrs ago #89

As I have said before: popsdenver 15 hrs ago #39

Amen, sis! demmiblue 16 hrs ago #28

I cleared my ignore list a while ago Bettie 12 hrs ago #142

Trump 2.0 could have been prevented by closing the border and having a normal primary dalton99a 16 hrs ago #31

Thank you! intheflow 16 hrs ago #32

I agree popsdenver 15 hrs ago #43

... SSJVegeta 16 hrs ago #33

In his diplomatic, inoffensive way, I think President Obama pointed the way Martin Eden 16 hrs ago #35

I make no bones about it JustAnotherGen 8 hrs ago #188

DURec leftstreet 15 hrs ago #37

For example, gab13by13 15 hrs ago #41

I think that's a perfect example because it's my opinion that, if Democratic leaders had not gotten so much Scrivener7 15 hrs ago #44

Yep, things changed Just_Vote_Dem 15 hrs ago #46

And it seems like it took a little outrage to convince them of the fact. Scrivener7 15 hrs ago #50

That's the problem in a nutshell. AloeVera 14 hrs ago #102

People are pissed at the wait-and-see say-nothing do-nothing approach. dalton99a 15 hrs ago #47

We're in a partial shutdown at the moment. lapucelle 13 hrs ago #113

Eight Democrats voted to end the fillibuster in October, ten in March. Scrivener7 13 hrs ago #126

Your vote counts in both instances are off by one. lapucelle 12 hrs ago #133

So a groundswell of constituent opinion has no effect on your elected officials? Scrivener7 12 hrs ago #134

Social media posts and constituent opinion are two very different things. N/T lapucelle 10 hrs ago #167

i completely agree with you. We should be able to speak freely if it is for constructive reason samsingh 15 hrs ago #51

That's a good example of a topic we should discuss in detail. Scrivener7 13 hrs ago #114

exactly - and given the power trump is wielding samsingh 13 hrs ago #121

So the lesson, which I hope we have learned, is that we release it all as soon as we are able. Scrivener7 13 hrs ago #122

there can be no healing until the crimes are punished samsingh 13 hrs ago #123

Concise and to the point. Well said. Escurumbele 15 hrs ago #54

100% Agree, Scrivener 7. If we can't see our own part in something we can't improve... johnnyplankton 15 hrs ago #55

Everything changes except one thing that was never addressed, and still isn't. usonian 15 hrs ago #56

It is important to note that WE elected our officials to represent us Grim Chieftain 15 hrs ago #58

That's why we have primaries SocialDemocrat61 15 hrs ago #60

And if they don't uphold the promises they made in the primaries? Grim Chieftain 14 hrs ago #70

Really depends on the promises they made SocialDemocrat61 14 hrs ago #76

And it doesn't need to be a fight. I made mistakes in my job. Scrivener7 14 hrs ago #79

Agreed. yellow dahlia 14 hrs ago #95

Wanting to learn from the past & do better in the future... CaptainTruth 15 hrs ago #59

Good Luck with that here. n/t ihaveaquestion 15 hrs ago #61

When do we rank-n-file types get to see the Election 2024 Postmortem? Kid Berwyn 14 hrs ago #72

Spot on! yellow dahlia 14 hrs ago #96

Yup Joinfortmill 14 hrs ago #80

This is what those finger-waggers really are FoxNewsSucks 14 hrs ago #82

I do think the DNC is starting to realize that much of the grass roots is really pissed at the party leadership Bluetus 14 hrs ago #83

I think recent events have provided us with a pretty extensive list of things we Scrivener7 14 hrs ago #85

I have a list. You have a list. The Party does not have a list. Bluetus 14 hrs ago #105

Please link to these threads: MorbidButterflyTat 14 hrs ago #91

There was one in particular this morning that was a good example. I can't link to it. For reasons I will not state. Scrivener7 14 hrs ago #107

Milquetoast, strongly worded letters, old guard, status quo, gerontocracy, Vichy Dems, Surrender Dems, betsuni 13 hrs ago #124

Good post Scrivener7, and a worthwhile question to ask. I feel the biggest mistake we may have made is to underestimate c-rational 14 hrs ago #101

Definitely. I agree with all of that. Scrivener7 13 hrs ago #115

Right? They see us as the enemy Bettie 12 hrs ago #147

Well said, Scrivener. yellow dahlia 14 hrs ago #104

What a great topic. Absent discussions like these, we Dems are merely REACTING to what the other side does. PeaceWave 14 hrs ago #106

I see the same cheerleaders on this thread. hamsterjill 14 hrs ago #108

I hear you. harumph 12 hrs ago #150

You are absolutely correct! hamsterjill 5 hrs ago #199

Our role in getting here today Quiet Em 13 hrs ago #118

Sadly, I think this is true. We have lost so much civil rights ground Scrivener7 12 hrs ago #139

I am 59 Bettie 12 hrs ago #151

The adults gulliver 12 hrs ago #129

The Democrats I know aren't lazy, neglectful OR self-indulgent. Scrivener7 12 hrs ago #135

"Romans and countrymen, lend me your ears?" gulliver 12 hrs ago #136

Thank you so much Scrivener. KPN 12 hrs ago #130

Great OP SunImp 12 hrs ago #138

Thank you for the thread canetoad 12 hrs ago #141

Loyalty means being willing to examine our own missteps Torchlight 12 hrs ago #148

It's not possible currently to discuss mistakes and we are doomed to repeat them again. Melon 11 hrs ago #152

How is it happening in Texas? SocialDemocrat61 11 hrs ago #156

Beto Melon 10 hrs ago #162

What's he running for? SocialDemocrat61 10 hrs ago #169

See Below Quote Melon 9 hrs ago #172

So what did Beto SocialDemocrat61 9 hrs ago #173

This thread is all about why we don't do that.... Melon 9 hrs ago #175

So who should run in Texas? SocialDemocrat61 8 hrs ago #176

This and your gatekeeping is the issue that prevents open discussion and improvement. Melon 8 hrs ago #177

I'm just trying to understand SocialDemocrat61 8 hrs ago #178

Why? Are you in Texas? Or are you trying to gatekeep? Melon 6 hrs ago #191

No, but am trying to understand what is going on In Texas. SocialDemocrat61 6 hrs ago #196

And I say again...go read the threads on Talarico or Crockett Melon 2 hrs ago #210

I was asking for your perspective SocialDemocrat61 1 hr ago #215

I have a relative running for the Senate, so luckily Scrivener7 11 hrs ago #157

It has nothing to do with being loyal. It's about fighting back against (often) unfair and unwarranted criticism. W_HAMILTON 11 hrs ago #153

Well, "bullshit criticism" is in the eye of the beholder. Orrex 6 hrs ago #195

I may be late to this discussion, but I read it early this morning and just now thought I would add my 2cents. Ninga 11 hrs ago #155

We do not need to do this before midterms and publicly oldmanlynn 11 hrs ago #158

Suicidal has been the lack of transparency and free discussion Melon 10 hrs ago #161

The right time is always behind closed doors oldmanlynn 37 min ago #218

Absolutely agree! And I've noticed another of the cheerleaders' tactics: Orrex 11 hrs ago #160

That's not an accurate metaphor for your point EdmondDantes_ 8 hrs ago #187

Thanks, but I know what I've seen, and I'm ready to be judged Orrex 7 hrs ago #189

No I expressly don't. But you leap to that conclusion EdmondDantes_ 3 hrs ago #203

Let's just say that the discussion's been going on since before July 21, 2024 Orrex 3 hrs ago #204

And they feel just as strongly as you do about their name calling being calling it as they see it EdmondDantes_ 3 hrs ago #205

I've accused you of exactly nothing except joining the conversation late Orrex 3 hrs ago #206

The key: 100% confidence one is 100% correct, obviously morally righteously correct. betsuni 1 hr ago #212

I would remark that biggest reason Dems "lost" Mblaze 10 hrs ago #168

Sounds like you have a problem with the jury system. LudwigPastorius 9 hrs ago #171

She just made the argument iemanja 1 hr ago #214

I choose to belong to the Democratic party Progressive dog 9 hrs ago #174

I choose to exercise my democratic rights iemanja 1 hr ago #216

Time and place. Zelda_Orchid 8 hrs ago #182

Based OP. BannonsLiver 8 hrs ago #185

The number of RECs, replies, and views to this OP shows just how important to the DU community... Ol Janx Spirit 6 hrs ago #197

I think we all have perspectives and ideas that have value, even if only to further a productive dialectic Ilikepurple 4 hrs ago #201

Absolutely agree & Thank You for saying it! 👍nt Raine 4 hrs ago #200