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In reply to the discussion: It is not an act of loyalty to quash conversations about our own party's role in getting to where we are today. [View all]
Orrex
(66,868 posts)160. Absolutely agree! And I've noticed another of the cheerleaders' tactics:
Orrex: I wish that Schumer would have the toilet paper go over the roll.
Cheerleader: Bashing Democrats is exactly how we got into this mess.
In short, any criticism, however mild or well-reasoned or solidly justified, is characterized as "bashing," with the implication that the poster is violating the TOS.
If we're not permitted to voice our dissatisfaction with elected Democrats and their leaders, then I see little to distinguish ourselves from the drooling red-hat KKKult.
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It is not an act of loyalty to quash conversations about our own party's role in getting to where we are today. [View all]
Scrivener7
22 hrs ago
OP
Sorry, it's not the Democratic Party. It's Republican voters, third party voters, and petulant nonvoters
lapucelle
22 hrs ago
#3
And maga-pub IS NOT a political party---- it is a criminal domestic terrorist organization
Jack Valentino
8 hrs ago
#207
What does any of this mean...Demanding concessions?...Taking up arms against each other?
PeaceWave
15 hrs ago
#166
I think we here all work hard to elect Democrats. And we have been doing so for years. And yet, here we are.
Scrivener7
21 hrs ago
#48
Work harder to shut down opposition narratives, most especially those from purists and punishers
lapucelle
20 hrs ago
#52
Which, by definition, has nothing to do with shutting down discussions on DU.
Scrivener7
20 hrs ago
#53
To begin with, expressing an opinion on a topic is not "shutting down discussion" on a topic.
lapucelle
20 hrs ago
#66
Even given the definitional problems (and notwithstanding the random use of latin),
lapucelle
18 hrs ago
#127
Recognizing a Latin word and saying your conclusion doesn't follow from your premises is not an argument either
Ilikepurple
11 hrs ago
#198
I agree with you 100% Scrivener7. It is not a fluke that we are in this mess.
flashman13
20 hrs ago
#71
I'm really looking forward to the primaries too. We have an incredible bench, and
Scrivener7
20 hrs ago
#73
You are? Divergent views within our own party might lead to hurt feelings afterwards.
PeaceWave
8 hrs ago
#208
It's the Democratic Party which nominates candidates which voters either accept or reject
Jose Garcia
17 hrs ago
#154
With the (somewhat) arguable exception of 2024, voters choose the candidates.
lapucelle
16 hrs ago
#165
Same here. And I'm highly suspect of the motives of anyone demanding we do otherwise.
FoxNewsSucks
20 hrs ago
#67
Yep. And that's the problem. This has nothing to do with criticizing Democrats. It has to do with looking at
Scrivener7
22 hrs ago
#8
I'm with you right up until the part about nominating a republican. But I get your point.
Scrivener7
21 hrs ago
#22
While I'm grateful to Conservatives who have drawn a line and chosen to
MadameButterfly
20 hrs ago
#62
If we don't look at the issues of the Dem structure, and question it, then we are in a cult...
yellow dahlia
19 hrs ago
#81
"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever
Ping Tung
22 hrs ago
#11
"I am a Christian and a Democrat. That's all": FDR, when asked to define his political philosophy.
lapucelle
21 hrs ago
#21
That was his choice. That's what democracy is supposed to be about...choice.
Ping Tung
21 hrs ago
#26
Yes, folks choose to vote for Republicans or third-party candidates or to withhold any vote as punishment
lapucelle
18 hrs ago
#120
Just as there's nothing wrong calling out the politicians who support or vote for
Ping Tung
17 hrs ago
#143
I'm not talking about ripping on Dems and I'm not talking about anything that violates the TOS.
Scrivener7
22 hrs ago
#13
Fire the strategists and consultant class, The party needs to stop making the same mistakes.
yellow dahlia
19 hrs ago
#86
Any time we stop speaking truth, we benefit those who want to hide the truth.
hamsterjill
22 hrs ago
#14
But at this point, none of us is. I'm that comfortable boomer you describe.
Scrivener7
22 hrs ago
#16
Cheerleaders, the party is always right, swarm, posse, toe the line, echo chamber, blind loyalty, marching in lockstep,
betsuni
22 hrs ago
#17
Finding out facts instead of leaping to negative conclusions about Democrats is mocked as mindless loyalty. Projection.
betsuni
16 hrs ago
#164
We failed to read history, but it's only now that history is understood at all
bucolic_frolic
22 hrs ago
#18
So much yes to this! All those bad movies about evil conglomerates trying to rule the world?
Scrivener7
21 hrs ago
#29
My daughter quipped the other day - "Who knew the original Superman movie was a road map..."
harumph
21 hrs ago
#42
Trump 2.0 could have been prevented by closing the border and having a normal primary
dalton99a
21 hrs ago
#31
In his diplomatic, inoffensive way, I think President Obama pointed the way
Martin Eden
21 hrs ago
#35
I think that's a perfect example because it's my opinion that, if Democratic leaders had not gotten so much
Scrivener7
21 hrs ago
#44
So a groundswell of constituent opinion has no effect on your elected officials?
Scrivener7
18 hrs ago
#134
Social media posts and constituent opinion are two very different things. N/T
lapucelle
15 hrs ago
#167
i completely agree with you. We should be able to speak freely if it is for constructive reason
samsingh
20 hrs ago
#51
So the lesson, which I hope we have learned, is that we release it all as soon as we are able.
Scrivener7
18 hrs ago
#122
100% Agree, Scrivener 7. If we can't see our own part in something we can't improve...
johnnyplankton
20 hrs ago
#55
Everything changes except one thing that was never addressed, and still isn't.
usonian
20 hrs ago
#56
I do think the DNC is starting to realize that much of the grass roots is really pissed at the party leadership
Bluetus
19 hrs ago
#83
I think recent events have provided us with a pretty extensive list of things we
Scrivener7
19 hrs ago
#85
There was one in particular this morning that was a good example. I can't link to it. For reasons I will not state.
Scrivener7
19 hrs ago
#107
Milquetoast, strongly worded letters, old guard, status quo, gerontocracy, Vichy Dems, Surrender Dems,
betsuni
18 hrs ago
#124
Good post Scrivener7, and a worthwhile question to ask. I feel the biggest mistake we may have made is to underestimate
c-rational
19 hrs ago
#101
What a great topic. Absent discussions like these, we Dems are merely REACTING to what the other side does.
PeaceWave
19 hrs ago
#106
It's not possible currently to discuss mistakes and we are doomed to repeat them again.
Melon
17 hrs ago
#152
This and your gatekeeping is the issue that prevents open discussion and improvement.
Melon
14 hrs ago
#177
It has nothing to do with being loyal. It's about fighting back against (often) unfair and unwarranted criticism.
W_HAMILTON
17 hrs ago
#153
I may be late to this discussion, but I read it early this morning and just now thought I would add my 2cents.
Ninga
16 hrs ago
#155
And they feel just as strongly as you do about their name calling being calling it as they see it
EdmondDantes_
8 hrs ago
#205
The key: 100% confidence one is 100% correct, obviously morally righteously correct.
betsuni
7 hrs ago
#212
The number of RECs, replies, and views to this OP shows just how important to the DU community...
Ol Janx Spirit
11 hrs ago
#197
I think we all have perspectives and ideas that have value, even if only to further a productive dialectic
Ilikepurple
9 hrs ago
#201