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Bluenorthwest

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4. I do not agree that this legislation is 'nothing'. The comparison is strained. The actual question
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 09:38 AM
Dec 2012

to ask is what would our leadership have done in FDR's actual position if 9-11 had, like Pearl Harbor, been followed by constant actual attacks on the West Coast, the occupation of an Alaskan Island, shelling of military base in Oregon, and the deployment of new explosive devices which had already been used to deliver biological weapons by the same enemy on another front? If our current enemies had submarines off California each day?
All of those things happened. We were in a World War, and the West Coast was wide open. What do you think GW Bush would have done had events followed one another like they did in FDR's time? Bush opened Gitmo, renditions and indefinite detentions, massive spying on everyone, and he invaded a nation that had nothing to do with 9-11. Like WW2, Bush opened two fronts, we are still waging one of those wars right now. WW2 was far shorter than the Bush Wars. Almost as if FDR wanted to win and these guys want to fight....
Pretty hard for me to say FDR did worse considering the context, the real events, and comparing what we in our times faced in terms of actual events and attempted attacks. As I recall, Bushco went raging through NYC frisking anyone who looked middle eastern, set up a huge security apparatus that functions in secret, and on and on. WW2 came to an actual, decided end. This thing, it just rolls on and you have people 'detained' for years and years, for the duration of an endless history....
What you call nothing sure sounds like something to me.

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Unfortunately, history shows a number of examples of this customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #1
I do not agree that this legislation is 'nothing'. The comparison is strained. The actual question Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #4
Spying on suspected foreign nationals overseas customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #30
I disagree, this legislation isn't "nothing", MadHound Dec 2012 #6
You have it backwards pscot Dec 2012 #11
Not only can be but was used. zeemike Dec 2012 #15
He may not control the country, but he can still speak out pscot Dec 2012 #20
Well there is a long history of what happens when you piss off the PTB zeemike Dec 2012 #21
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