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Ol Janx Spirit

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16. Both parties make the same mistake of thinking--or choosing to think--that voters...
Sun Dec 28, 2025, 01:07 PM
Dec 2025

...just put them into office based on their social platform--when in fact it is almost always only the economy that the swing voters that turn elections in one direction or the other care about. And when they get polled you can bet that the economy is what is on their minds.

The 2024 election should prove to us that the voters that swing the election in one direction or the other actually do not care one bit about Turnip or his crimes. They aren't salivating for Democrats to do anything to push back or punish--they just want more money in their bank accounts.

And while some Democrats may be looking for more fight against Emperor Tangerine, it is far more safe to assume that they are more frustrated with the perceived Biden/Harris botching of the economic message that led to his return in the last election. That and what seemed to be an almost complete lack of even trying to hold him responsible for January 6th.

But the parties also know that--unlike most swing voters--their bases do not turn out on economic issues alone. They need those social issues as a source of energy. Far fewer people are passionate about commodity prices like they are about issues of equality or abortion. And social issues are incredibly important: they make us who we "are" as a society.

But American voters do not make informed decisions about economic issues when they get to the ballot box. The fact that Republicans have consistently polled better on who voters trust on the economy despite having plenty of data on their actual performance proves that point.

For starters, while some other cultures see income inequality as a moral issue, our Indo-European roots as expressed in Americanism have not ever really been constrained in such a way. A lot of things would be different if Americans did see wealth distribution as a moral issue. But let's face it: when the real "American dream" is to become magically morbidly wealthy overnight without the constraints of social position imposed on people from other countries, most people don't want to pre-emptively limit their moral options on what to do with all that new-found wealth. Dream on Americans...dream on.

Money is the real god we worship in these United States of America.

A lot of more complicated realities spring from this basic fact, but the reality is that it makes it far too easy to create wedge-issues out of what should otherwise be issues of morality, equality, and basic humanity: a living wage, healthcare, retiring with dignity. Republicans have consistently convinced people without much that forcing the people with a whole lot to give them even a little bit more will leave them with nothing--and that has made the efforts of Democrats to help them out unpopular. The policies are quite popular, but somehow the efforts to implement them are generally not.

So, as usual, the next election will be won on economic issues--and as we saw in the last four years: voters need to see actual improvements in their economic reality to reward you with continued support. The fact that the economy was predicted to crash and you did a fantastic job of not letting that happen means nothing to the electorate. They never knew that anyway.

If Democrats want to poll well they will need to figure out how to improve the personal economy of voters in ways that they get credit for and then keep doing that. Republicans may very well reward them next year by following the Wizard of Snooze down the yellow brick tariff road, but what happens after that is going to be a lot harder than just throwing a bucket of water on the evil billionaires.

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Many Democrats expect their elected Dem reps to lead the revolution. FalloutShelter Dec 2025 #1
The GOP embraces their protesters and far right spokesmen Farmer-Rick Dec 2025 #11
Not true at all creeksneakers2 Dec 2025 #31
Such a succinct argument Farmer-Rick Dec 2025 #48
For one thing, free trade is not a far right idea. creeksneakers2 Dec 2025 #50
Elected Democratic leaders need to endorse popular Democratic candidates and ideas while fighting the fights they can. Gore1FL Dec 2025 #14
We don't actually need a revolution, we need a counter-revolution. The Reagan Revolution has to go JHB Dec 2025 #17
The fight now is trying to protect what we have creeksneakers2 Dec 2025 #32
I submit that compromising our values doesn't protect us. If it did, we wouldn't be having these discussions. nt Gore1FL Dec 2025 #35
Submit away creeksneakers2 Dec 2025 #36
Zohran Mamdani got votes Gore1FL Dec 2025 #37
He won in New York City creeksneakers2 Dec 2025 #38
Ignore people long enough and they quit showing up. Gore1FL Dec 2025 #39
Biden: "Trickle-down economics has never worked" Harris: "Trickle-down economics benefited big corporations betsuni Dec 2025 #44
Facts differ. The current top rate is 37% Gore1FL Dec 2025 #45
Two paragraphs and you explained the problems that the Democrats have completely ignored Autumn Dec 2025 #34
One suggestion: Democratic leaders should hold "shadow" hearings and tape them Justice matters. Dec 2025 #21
There is the day to day process where right now we are weak as the minority. Then there is vision. Which we seem.... dutch777 Dec 2025 #2
trouble is- mopinko Dec 2025 #5
And these things need to be accomplished in a hard hitting get-it-done manner. Trust_Reality Dec 2025 #18
I think we can do both if we have a solid majority. I do hope someone is keeping a list of all the stuff to repair! dutch777 Dec 2025 #47
We need to be more outspoken WmChris Dec 2025 #3
It doesn't fully explain it. everyonematters Dec 2025 #4
"trans boys" angrychair Dec 2025 #24
I should have said trans girls. everyonematters Dec 2025 #25
Corporate media has their thumb on the scale for the pukes as well. It's not an even playing field. Blues Heron Dec 2025 #6
Yep. For profit media is for profit first. Trust_Reality Dec 2025 #19
But Democratic candidates are winning Buckeyeblue Dec 2025 #7
i don't see Dem adrenaline. AOC and Gavin are exceptions Tetrachloride Dec 2025 #8
Post removed Post removed Dec 2025 #9
Republicans are to the left of "corporate" Democrats? Martin Eden Dec 2025 #13
It's simple. Low approval for Democrats does NOT equate to approval for Republicans Martin Eden Dec 2025 #10
Yes, Democrats need to fight harder Mysterian Dec 2025 #12
Democratic low polling numbers are from Democrats or unaffiliated Democratic leaning voters, 'cause the Democratic Fil1957 Dec 2025 #15
Both parties make the same mistake of thinking--or choosing to think--that voters... Ol Janx Spirit Dec 2025 #16
With a few exceptions (AOC, Gavin, Bernie) pinkstarburst Dec 2025 #20
I think there's a disconnect between campaigning and achieving dickthegrouch Dec 2025 #22
Post removed Post removed Dec 2025 #23
Absolutely. That kind of damage to Democrats wasn't possible before. betsuni Dec 2025 #28
Republicans can't do policy. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2025 #26
Many of the polls ask the wrong questions Bluetus Dec 2025 #27
When grievances matter more than vulnerabilities. betsuni Dec 2025 #29
I have a good explanation for it. bob4460 Dec 2025 #30
Too many use pretzel logic to blame democrats SocialDemocrat61 Dec 2025 #33
My point of the OP, exactly Pototan Dec 2025 #40
Winning elections is more important and better than being liked JI7 Dec 2025 #41
Then why don't they support Jasmine Crockett JI7 Dec 2025 #42
Yes, and this "fighting" business is a both sides insinuation that Democrats don't fight. betsuni Dec 2025 #43
Most people claim democrats lost the election due to messaging fujiyamasan Dec 2025 #46
I wish we could openly talk about our party on this site. We have so many problems that needs to be addressed Mr. Sparkle Dec 2025 #49
What "runs down the spine of our party"? Please give examples of problems. betsuni Dec 2025 #51
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