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50. Also Ivanna's death from blunt force trauma from falling down stairs.

Wed Dec 24, 2025, 07:31 AM

Dec 2025

It is had been rumored she was involved in the pedo ring, she and Ghislaine Maxwell
interviewed girls. It was said Ivanna was going to be questioned by the police.

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I am beginning to believe that Epstein was murdered... [View all] kentuck Dec 2025 OP

Some of us have suspected this from day one. Irish_Dem Dec 2025 #1

His brother believes he was murdered. kentuck Dec 2025 #2

We know it is at least 50/50 probability. Irish_Dem Dec 2025 #9

Bill Barr would know. travelingthrulife Dec 2025 #64

Exactly. And Epstein had many secrets about the Barr family. Irish_Dem Dec 2025 #72

I assumed from the start it was murder buzzycrumbhunger Dec 2025 #7

I have never thought he committed suicide. yellow dahlia Dec 2025 #38

Yes and yes. Irish_Dem Dec 2025 #47

Also Ivanna's death from blunt force trauma from falling down stairs. Irish_Dem Dec 2025 #50

I hadn't known about Ivana's death being suspicious yellow dahlia Dec 2025 #62

I thought it was questionable when it happened. Irish_Dem Dec 2025 #63

I didn't know about Ivana's involvement MustLoveBeagles Dec 2025 #65

I read it here on DU. Irish_Dem Dec 2025 #68

I've been suspicious all along, also. Prof. Toru Tanaka Dec 2025 #70

Guards went AWOL. Video machine didn't work or video is missing. Irish_Dem Dec 2025 #73

the guards asleep the same time? or put to sleep after drinking something. will never know. CarolinaNC Dec 2025 #82

His death was suspicious because it was so timely and convenient for others involved. As more details come out..... FadedMullet Dec 2025 #3

Bill Barr visited NYC before Epstein died. Who, if anyone, did he meet with RockRaven Dec 2025 #4

Didn't Barr meet with Epstein while he was in prison? kentuck Dec 2025 #5

No proof of that specifically AZJonnie Dec 2025 #11

Coincidences... 2naSalit Dec 2025 #6

Jeezus, you can't make this shit up. It was murder, alright Joinfortmill Dec 2025 #19

Wow, so much out there in the open. Journalism is dead. still-prayin4rain Dec 2025 #76

And Jean Luc Brunel, and Virginia Roberts Giuffre.... Pachamama Dec 2025 #8

Guiffre does not make sense to include here IMHO AZJonnie Dec 2025 #14

A lot of suicides. yellow dahlia Dec 2025 #39

Or out of a window in Moscow. NT Bohunk68 Dec 2025 #51

Epstein didn't kill himself. flvegan Dec 2025 #10

I saw a joke story this morning catchnrelease Dec 2025 #13

LOL, that's good. flvegan Dec 2025 #32

I absolutely agree with you. MorbidButterflyTat Dec 2025 #45

I totally believe this. Scrivener7 Dec 2025 #12

he hung himself with a paper sheet ? Nigrum Cattus Dec 2025 #15

That whole two guards fell asleep fujiyamasan Dec 2025 #34

And the video cameras stopped working at the same time. Irish_Dem Dec 2025 #49

Yeah, a lot of convenient coincidences. Dave Bowman Dec 2025 #77

Coincidences take a lot of planning. Irish_Dem Dec 2025 #79

I've always believed he was murdered. nt Raine Dec 2025 #16

Me, too. Joinfortmill Dec 2025 #17

LOL Skittles Dec 2025 #18

Duh! It was just damn silly that he hanged himself ashredux Dec 2025 #20

And a mark from hanging would be under the chin, not near the collar bone. Trueblue Texan Dec 2025 #89

Thinking the same, Kentuck. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2025 #21

I never had a doubt. tavernier Dec 2025 #22

Yes. And the only reason Maxwell is still above ground is..... paleotn Dec 2025 #23

Except the FBI is saying the letter is fake. EdmondDantes_ Dec 2025 #24

Do we trust this FBI? mwooldri Dec 2025 #26

I trust them to do something sleazy. GoCubsGo Dec 2025 #55

Why would I trust anything coming from the FBI headed by a fucking idiot like Patel? fujiyamasan Dec 2025 #35

Ivana "fell" down the stairs around the same time wolfie001 Dec 2025 #25

Beginning? nt BWdem4life Dec 2025 #27

Trump acts like a mafia godfather. Emile Dec 2025 #28

Never believed Epstein committed suicide Picaro Dec 2025 #29

Yup. yellow dahlia Dec 2025 #41

I have suspected this all along. evolves Dec 2025 #30

I've not doubted it for a second relayerbob Dec 2025 #31

Is water wet? usonian Dec 2025 #33

It was returned after his death, I don't think it was sent after his death/ Bev54 Dec 2025 #36

I don't think that's correct. People are pointing to a 'postmark' - and that does not stopdiggin Dec 2025 #42

I have been pretty convinced it was a hit - TBF Dec 2025 #37

I always thought it went something like this. Iggo Dec 2025 #40

Larry Nasser was the Olympics team physician. pacalo Dec 2025 #43

I never thought he killed himself. He Luciferous Dec 2025 #44

His timely death was all too convenient to be suicide. GoodRaisin Dec 2025 #46

K&R spanone Dec 2025 #48

Duh! malaise Dec 2025 #53

🤣 spanone Dec 2025 #54

I'm no FBI investigator, but... Mike Nelson Dec 2025 #52

Julie K. Brown says the handwriting, wording and spelling don't resemble Epstein's. She's the one who actually Scrivener7 Dec 2025 #58

Agreed... Mike Nelson Dec 2025 #59

Definitely! Magnitudes more important if you believe it wasn't him. Scrivener7 Dec 2025 #61

I'm kind of amazed that you haven't been swarmed by cheerleaders Orrex Dec 2025 #56

... Prairie Gates Dec 2025 #57

If that's true we will find out... unless only one person orchestrated the whole thing. JohnnyRingo Dec 2025 #60

Epstein did not commit suicide LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2025 #66

A lot of us thought so from the beginning. Sure got called lots of names though. Crunchy Frog Dec 2025 #67

While there is lot of craziness around Epstein's death, I think he had plenty of reasons to kill himself Buckeyeblue Dec 2025 #69

I didn't believe it was suicide TommieMommy Dec 2025 #71

Pretty sure you are right. Linda ladeewolf Dec 2025 #74

Yes, he was murdered. Kind of like telling your heirs you are changing your will the next morning. Scalded Nun Dec 2025 #75

I found this whole thing fishy from the start. Dave Bowman Dec 2025 #78

A few b/4 Epstein was getting ready to name names. CarolinaNC Dec 2025 #80

a few weeks b/4 CarolinaNC Dec 2025 #81

Epstein had the goods on many, including TACO Don. ProudMNDemocrat Dec 2025 #83

Good Morning! Akakoji Dec 2025 #84

Epstein's demise was probably part of a clean-up operation. Aussie105 Dec 2025 #85

I've ALWAYS believed it. B.See Dec 2025 #86

Im convinced of that. OLDMDDEM Dec 2025 #87

If you saw the photos of the crime scene, there would be no doubt in your mind he was murdered. Trueblue Texan Dec 2025 #88