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catchnrelease

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44. That history is also fascinating

Thu Nov 20, 2025, 07:25 PM

Nov 20

There was a series on Benjamin Franklin with Michael Douglas in the lead role that really showed what went into the French support for the rebels in the US. It was exactly as you said-- Louis only supported them to weaken the British. The series showed how Franklin basically arm wrestled the French minister (I've forgotten his name) to convince the king to send money, ships and supplies to the colonists. The king was also promised booty from the New World and his loan being repaid...which it never was.

There was a bunch of the program about Franklin's dalliances with various French aristocratic women and I don't know how much of that was made up, but overall I feel like it was a good series. (called Franklin and on Apple TV).

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