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6. which is what republicans have done
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 02:13 PM
Nov 2025

...now firmly established in the public's view that republicans have been completely in control of that since before the shutdown.

That's due to the success of both Democratic leaders and others in making it appear to be a consequence of the shutdown by prioritizing it in every statement and appearance.

I'm sure they both recognized the value of that advocacy and focus was unlikely to result in republicans just giving something away that they had already refused to just because Americans were hurting, just as republicans had intended.

So we postponed the fight until after the holidays. Republicans can still do the thing they haven't yet done, and no federal worker, no person relying on the government for their basic needs has to sacrifice those things for the politics, at least over the holidays.

The most interesting development is that the vote scheduled on the ACA subsidies will occur after higher premiums have already gone into effect a few weeks previous. I don't know what people expected republicans to care about a government they don't appreciate and are trying to end, enough to bend on an ACA tax credit they didn't want for Americans in the first place.

The ONLY lever the party has is a people-powered elevation of the issue, and they've pulled a hat trick on that one, making it the most important issue today when NO one was prioritizing it. Not to mention the Schumer-Biden feat of forcing this vital benefit into a reconciliation budget during the pandemic, knowing full well that the temporary credit would be politically fraught for anyone trying to remove it.

That's not shutdown politics, it's advocacy that stretches from the creation of the tax benefit to the showdown over the expiration deadline. Even though the shutdown aided the politics through the deftness of our party leaders, it's not the end game. It never was, banking on republicans caring about the pain caused to anyone in their way.

This is now down to their relationships with their own voters, not Democrats ready to bail them out of the hot water that Schumer and Jeffries have drawn for them to drown in.

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LOL, no thanks, i've seen enough Lawrence apology posts for the disgusting backstabbing. nt yaesu Nov 2025 #1
par bigtree Nov 2025 #2
Boy did we pull one over on them. Emile Nov 2025 #3
Seems unwise to proudly take ownership of 15M Americans losing health coverage. RockRaven Nov 2025 #4
which is what republicans have done bigtree Nov 2025 #6
Then we should've let them nuke the filibuster. mr715 Nov 2025 #23
what, the ones that compromised for two more months of funding bigtree Nov 2025 #50
Meh. Fiendish Thingy Nov 2025 #5
it's funny. I read these things to inform myself. Including posts and replies bigtree Nov 2025 #7
The voters will do the math Fiendish Thingy Nov 2025 #8
voters need to understand the math bigtree Nov 2025 #9
Telling voters what they "need to understand" has been SUCH A WINNING STRATEGY. Maru Kitteh Nov 2025 #16
it's like I raised my children bigtree Nov 2025 #22
You believe voters and children respond favorably to condescension. Maru Kitteh Nov 2025 #28
I may not be an eloquent enough writer but I'm not campaigning bigtree Nov 2025 #30
Your dismissal of my comments doesn't change the fact that voters don't GAF about senate traditions Fiendish Thingy Nov 2025 #19
you missed his point bigtree Nov 2025 #31
Mommy's drunk and Daddy won't pay the bills, and it's the kids who are spoiled? Fiendish Thingy Nov 2025 #35
what? bigtree Nov 2025 #36
I just saw mention in a book of Lawrence working for Moynihan: betsuni Nov 2025 #44
he had adoringly long hair back then. bigtree Nov 2025 #47
Nope. This is a transcript for personal use, not commercial purposes, so it falls under 'fair use,' ancianita Nov 2025 #13
That's not what fair use is Fiendish Thingy Nov 2025 #15
Note under DU's copyright section... ancianita Nov 2025 #18
From DU's TOS: Fiendish Thingy Nov 2025 #20
Yeah. I linked it. Read the parts you prefer. ancianita Nov 2025 #21
"What does 'caved' mean?" A powerful trigger, symptoms include excessive online trolling and foaming at the mouth. betsuni Nov 2025 #10
Thank you. Esp for the transcript, since reading enhances short and long term memory. ancianita Nov 2025 #11
First off, John Glenn was a Marine BeerBarrelPolka Nov 2025 #12
oh that makes all the difference bigtree Nov 2025 #33
If he can't get that right BeerBarrelPolka Nov 2025 #37
if YOU can't get that right... bigtree Nov 2025 #39
I am right. O'Donnell is wrong. He went into space as a Marine. BeerBarrelPolka Nov 2025 #40
lawd bigtree Nov 2025 #41
I was not inaccurate BeerBarrelPolka Nov 2025 #42
that's not 'all there is to it' you left a lot out bigtree Nov 2025 #43
What he wrote regarding the agreement BeerBarrelPolka Nov 2025 #45
facts he mentioned about the agreement that he got right bigtree Nov 2025 #48
271 Republicans caved to the demands of five Democrats BeerBarrelPolka Nov 2025 #49
alright, be done. bigtree Nov 2025 #51
Leave it to Lawrence to spell this "caving" out for everybody to understand. n/t valleyrogue Nov 2025 #14
That is a lot of words for "Back to square one" Sympthsical Nov 2025 #17
Lawrence needs to sit down with Jon Stewart. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2025 #24
I think I understand what Lawrence is getting at. Katinfl Nov 2025 #25
I am a huge Lawrence fan senseandsensibility Nov 2025 #26
I appreciate Lawrence's perspective Redleg Nov 2025 #27
I agree with Lawrence LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2025 #29
. MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2025 #32
I appreciate Lawrence's messaging crimycarny Nov 2025 #34
Lawrence thinks we can't see or understand what's going on in plain view. ihaveaquestion Nov 2025 #38
for Schumer's critics, the fight ended when the shutdown ended. bigtree Nov 2025 #46
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