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In reply to the discussion: OK, I'm gonna go out on a limb here.... [View all]
Martin Eden
(15,679 posts)32. In my view, the "capitulation" boils down to this: was there ANY CHANCE Republicans would restore the ACA subsidies?
Pass it in the Senate, pass it in the House, and get Trump to sign it?
Seriously, what was the chance of those three things happening?
Destroying the "Welfare State" embodied in Project 2025 has been the long-term goal of Republicans for generations. Trump was practically gleeful when the government shut down, because it advanced that agenda.
If there was essentially zero chance of restoring the ACA subsidies by holding out, what sense did it make to continue the shutdown?
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Isn't there always when you get down to it, but we rarely have the inside track.Thanks for the perspective.
Amaryllis
Nov 2025
#62
Those eight Senators were chosen for a reason, and it's nothing to do with brain damage
FakeNoose
Nov 2025
#23
From a long range strategic perspective, for reasons too numerous to go into here, I don't think it was all that bad.
Fil1957
Nov 2025
#10
Thanks. The tide was turning, we couldn't permit SNAP, etc., to go unfunded.
CoopersDad
Nov 2025
#12
I was awake till 4:30, got a few hours' sleep. I would like to think yesterday's cave was possibly strategic in some
highplainsdem
Nov 2025
#17
Are you forgetting that Rs will have to face an actual vote in December to extend or not the ACA?
Sogo
Nov 2025
#19
We were told that for the documents case. We were told that for the Mueller decision. We were told that
Scrivener7
Nov 2025
#28
In my view, the "capitulation" boils down to this: was there ANY CHANCE Republicans would restore the ACA subsidies?
Martin Eden
Nov 2025
#32
IMHO the repukes need to see how close they are to abject failure yet again
dickthegrouch
Nov 2025
#53
So then, you think there was a reasonable chance all 3 things would happen to restore ACA subsidies?
Martin Eden
Nov 2025
#56
Newsom also used the word PATHETIC. Olbermann called the sell out Senators Quislings.
flashman13
Nov 2025
#49
I can think of many caring and principled reasons to vote to end the shutdown.
summer_in_TX
Nov 2025
#65