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highplainsdem

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17. I was awake till 4:30, got a few hours' sleep. I would like to think yesterday's cave was possibly strategic in some

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Mon Nov 10, 2025, 02:36 PM

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way we don't know yet, and it will be nice if that somehow turns out to be true.

But the Dems who caved have really hurt party messaging and unity, and they've encouraged Trump.

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OK, I'm gonna go out on a limb here.... [View all] PCIntern Nov 2025 OP

Thank you PCI essaynnc Nov 2025 #1

Isn't there always when you get down to it, but we rarely have the inside track.Thanks for the perspective. Amaryllis Nov 2025 #62

It's a head scratcher. MatthewStLouis Nov 2025 #2

Those eight Senators were chosen for a reason, and it's nothing to do with brain damage FakeNoose Nov 2025 #23

None of them are up for reelection any time soon obamanut2012 Nov 2025 #31

durbin isn't running again nt orleans Nov 2025 #63

They know what they're doing. Glaisne Nov 2025 #48

Yes there is snowybirdie Nov 2025 #3

We need new leadership. CentralMass Nov 2025 #4

I've played the denial game too many times orangecrush Nov 2025 #5

Well said. Buddyzbuddy Nov 2025 #6

A vote to release them may happen but it doesn't mean moniss Nov 2025 #7

Thank you for offering, once again, some sanity. NNadir Nov 2025 #8

Congrats. You've reached the bargaining stage. BannonsLiver Nov 2025 #9

From a long range strategic perspective, for reasons too numerous to go into here, I don't think it was all that bad. Fil1957 Nov 2025 #10

Knowing the bad reaction they'd ignite last night C_U_L8R Nov 2025 #11

I've completely lost track of how many times like this FoxNewsSucks Nov 2025 #14

Thanks. The tide was turning, we couldn't permit SNAP, etc., to go unfunded. CoopersDad Nov 2025 #12

Gawd in that photo Kristi Noem has MAN HANDS!!! Billsdaughter Nov 2025 #22

That photo was created more than likely bobalew Nov 2025 #33

I remember that Lampoon cover. "Buy this magazine or we shoot this dog!" calimary Nov 2025 #70

Not enough K's in KKKristi. BurnDoubt Nov 2025 #40

Beat Me To It!!!!! BurnDoubt Nov 2025 #37

Another "Trust the Process" post Ponietz Nov 2025 #13

No it isn't that kind of post PCIntern Nov 2025 #16

I saw one of them on TV this morning FoxNewsSucks Nov 2025 #18

this is where I am berksdem Nov 2025 #27

Dems have successfully exposed poli-junkie Nov 2025 #15

I was awake till 4:30, got a few hours' sleep. I would like to think yesterday's cave was possibly strategic in some highplainsdem Nov 2025 #17

Are you forgetting that Rs will have to face an actual vote in December to extend or not the ACA? Sogo Nov 2025 #19

didn't seem to bother them one little bit when they voted FOR the lapfog_1 Nov 2025 #26

Not to defend them (I would never) but you do know that... Justice matters. Nov 2025 #46

you really believe berksdem Nov 2025 #30

That wasn't why we had a shutdown angrychair Nov 2025 #20

Yes. All of this. MontanaMama Nov 2025 #35

when were the going to cave?Why would they have caved? edisdead Nov 2025 #61

Yes there were rumblings days ago by the likes of Fetterman fujiyamasan Nov 2025 #64

Im sure the Epstein files will have little impact. Kablooie Nov 2025 #21

There were hostages, lots of them. Party unity lost out I guess. twodogsbarking Nov 2025 #24

Thank you! Arrogance is a very bad quality. betsuni Nov 2025 #25

We were told that for the documents case. We were told that for the Mueller decision. We were told that Scrivener7 Nov 2025 #28

Well, here is my story about faith in leadership... thought crime Nov 2025 #29

In my view, the "capitulation" boils down to this: was there ANY CHANCE Republicans would restore the ACA subsidies? Martin Eden Nov 2025 #32

More of 'oh well it'll never pass so just give up' Alpeduez21 Nov 2025 #36

You didn't answer my question. Martin Eden Nov 2025 #50

IMHO the repukes need to see how close they are to abject failure yet again dickthegrouch Nov 2025 #53

So then, you think there was a reasonable chance all 3 things would happen to restore ACA subsidies? Martin Eden Nov 2025 #56

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Pelosi retiring with $130 million dollars makes me ill Ponietz Nov 2025 #58

More Garland redux? Autumn Nov 2025 #38

Listen Up ms.pamela Nov 2025 #39

All added to the moral collapse brought on by the internet Ponietz Nov 2025 #59

Heard the same argument about Garland Mr.WeRP Nov 2025 #41

Scooch over on that limb so I can sit beside you PikaBlue Nov 2025 #42

But we have an insider sharing information. hamsterjill Nov 2025 #43

Newsom also used the word PATHETIC. Olbermann called the sell out Senators Quislings. flashman13 Nov 2025 #49

I think I have whiplash... CapnSteve Nov 2025 #44

Fingers Crossed czarjak Nov 2025 #67

THANKS a lot!!!!, PCIntern elleng Nov 2025 #45

"Trust" Has Been Dead Ever Since Money Was Invented. BurnDoubt Nov 2025 #47

Part of the Wait-tu-see tribe Beringia Nov 2025 #51

The dems don't have a good track record holding the line. -nt CrispyQ Nov 2025 #52

Thank you for Ilsa Nov 2025 #54

I'm not so sure this was a move in a game of three dimensional chess Patton French Nov 2025 #55

What if . . . . in2herbs Nov 2025 #57

I can think of many caring and principled reasons to vote to end the shutdown. summer_in_TX Nov 2025 #65

It's time to chuck Schumer Hassler Nov 2025 #60

I NEVER understood how my brother-in-law could consider himself Jack Valentino Nov 2025 #66

Nice story but what does it have to do with the repeated failure of the Democratic Party leadership? PufPuf23 Nov 2025 #68

Opinions vary. PCIntern Nov 2025 #69

There's been a lot said by Pundits BlueKota Nov 2025 #71