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In reply to the discussion: What to do if you see a kidnapping .... [View all]ancianita
(42,577 posts)36. Federal law enforcement in cooperation with state law enforcement is only kidnapping if courts & law
define it. It's not defined by what the public thinks. I've also been told by others that any public attempt to stop LEO's of FL will be cause for arrest for obstruction of justice.
Is it kidnapping in spirit? Probably.
Here's how the red state of Florida handles ICE:
Mandatory Cooperation:
A law passed in a 2025 special legislative session requires all law enforcement agencies to have agreements or policies in place to assist with federal immigration enforcement upon request.
287(g) Program:
All 67 county jails in Florida are required to have a written agrement with ICE under the 287(g) program. This program trains and deputizes local officers and correctional officers to perform specific immigration enforcement functions, such as identifying and processing for deportation individuals in their custody who are in the country illegally.
Street-level Enforcement:
Beyond jails, agreements have been signed allowing state agencies like the Florida Highway Patrol, Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE), and Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC) to perform street-level immigration enforcement duties, including interrogation and arrest of individuals without legal status.
Penalties for Non-compliance:
County or municipal officials who knowingly or willfully refuse to comply with immigration detainers face fines of up to $5,000 and potential suspension from office.
DeepMind AI is correct, because I fact checked it on the www.flgov.com website
Is it kidnapping in spirit? Probably.
Here's how the red state of Florida handles ICE:
Mandatory Cooperation:
A law passed in a 2025 special legislative session requires all law enforcement agencies to have agreements or policies in place to assist with federal immigration enforcement upon request.
287(g) Program:
All 67 county jails in Florida are required to have a written agrement with ICE under the 287(g) program. This program trains and deputizes local officers and correctional officers to perform specific immigration enforcement functions, such as identifying and processing for deportation individuals in their custody who are in the country illegally.
Street-level Enforcement:
Beyond jails, agreements have been signed allowing state agencies like the Florida Highway Patrol, Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE), and Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC) to perform street-level immigration enforcement duties, including interrogation and arrest of individuals without legal status.
Penalties for Non-compliance:
County or municipal officials who knowingly or willfully refuse to comply with immigration detainers face fines of up to $5,000 and potential suspension from office.
DeepMind AI is correct, because I fact checked it on the www.flgov.com website
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One could tell 911 "I was afraid to confront them and couldn't ask for ID" and do the rest. . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Nov 1
#2
They're not. But the point, for the purposes of the 911 call, is that they didn't,....
Iggo
Nov 1
#10
There's always a non emergency number, then it's still on record, the police will come and investigate
questionseverything
Nov 1
#15
Better to consult with your local immigrant org and see if they have a hotline for rapid response teams
WhiskeyGrinder
Nov 1
#19
competely serious. If you DON'T call the police (after something like a serious assault)
stopdiggin
Nov 2
#43
In Florida the governor has officially mandated all LEO's to help ICE, on penalty of job loss.
ancianita
Nov 2
#34
Is this for real? On who's advice is this recommended? I'm dubious of random
littlemissmartypants
Nov 1
#14
It's a "no go" for me. I totally understand your points, SB. I'd like to live to fight another day. ❤️
littlemissmartypants
Nov 1
#18
Wow! I never thought there were so many, let's say umm, "risk averse," people on DU.
ihaveaquestion
Nov 1
#20
fighting with LE very rarely leads to a positive outcome. in good conscience I cannot recommend ...
stopdiggin
Nov 1
#22
There is nothing about "fighting LE" in the post. Only reporting to verified LE an illegal action by
ihaveaquestion
Nov 1
#23
I'm not risk averse. I'm averse to following random-ass instructions like this one.
WhiskeyGrinder
Nov 1
#25
I wouldn't say anything about what they claimed but just say armed men attacked a person and kidnapped them.
Wonder Why
Nov 1
#26
Record it while asking the victim their name and a phone number to call to notify others.
nilram
Nov 2
#33
Federal law enforcement in cooperation with state law enforcement is only kidnapping if courts & law
ancianita
Nov 2
#36
Witnesses to these incidents can't be expected to judge whether they are valid arrests or a kidnapping.
ihaveaquestion
Nov 2
#39
Witnesses can record & report it as anything they want to call it, for the little to no good that will do in red states
ancianita
Nov 2
#40