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Dark n Stormy Knight

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27. This is a very horrific & confusing situation

Sat Nov 1, 2025, 07:15 PM

Nov 1

we're experiencing in many of our communities. One thing I've read is that, despite common belief, cops actually have no legal duty to protect. That's something we all should have worked hard to change before now. But we can only do as much as we can do.

DU, overall, disappoints me in the way it gives us a safe, false sense of doing something but little supported, sourced info on what we can do to improve the political situation. Little call to action.

Look at the DU Activist Headquarters group. Practically unvisited. Seems it might be helpful for it to be elevated to top-level status, just as prominent as General Discussion.

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What to do if you see a kidnapping .... [View all] ihaveaquestion Nov 1 OP

I don't think it's always safe for a bystander to ask ICE etc. people spooky3 Nov 1 #1

One could tell 911 "I was afraid to confront them and couldn't ask for ID" and do the rest. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 1 #2

Yes nt spooky3 Nov 1 #3

and not sure if they are 'required' to provide ID to anyone (and everyone?) stopdiggin Nov 1 #7

They're not. But the point, for the purposes of the 911 call, is that they didn't,.... Iggo Nov 1 #10

Google this court case. brakester Nov 2 #32

Nothing Polybius Nov 1 #4

Also record it on your phone for evidence. Jilly_in_VA Nov 1 #5

Says who? This is not what refugee/immigrant orgs recommend WhiskeyGrinder Nov 1 #6

which part do they contravene ? stopdiggin Nov 1 #8

calling cops WhiskeyGrinder Nov 1 #12

I think that's fairly questionable too stopdiggin Nov 1 #13

There's always a non emergency number, then it's still on record, the police will come and investigate questionseverything Nov 1 #15

Better to consult with your local immigrant org and see if they have a hotline for rapid response teams WhiskeyGrinder Nov 1 #19

There's another reason Cirsium Nov 2 #35

hmmmm? stopdiggin Nov 2 #38

Get serious Cirsium Nov 2 #42

competely serious. If you DON'T call the police (after something like a serious assault) stopdiggin Nov 2 #43

not really Cirsium Nov 2 #44

In Florida the governor has officially mandated all LEO's to help ICE, on penalty of job loss. ancianita Nov 2 #34

Game wardens Cirsium Nov 2 #37

What are they recommending? Ruby the Liberal Nov 2 #30

contact your local immigrant/refugee org; they'll have guidance WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2 #31

i ask myself what would Ben-hur do Tetrachloride Nov 1 #9

***THIS !!!*** Is what we need from democratic party leadership uponit7771 Nov 1 #11

Is this for real? On who's advice is this recommended? I'm dubious of random littlemissmartypants Nov 1 #14

Yeah, I'm skeptical about this kind of stuff, too. ShazzieB Nov 1 #16

It's a "no go" for me. I totally understand your points, SB. I'd like to live to fight another day. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Nov 1 #18

Kick and recommend bronxiteforever Nov 1 #17

Wow! I never thought there were so many, let's say umm, "risk averse," people on DU. ihaveaquestion Nov 1 #20

fighting with LE very rarely leads to a positive outcome. in good conscience I cannot recommend ... stopdiggin Nov 1 #22

There is nothing about "fighting LE" in the post. Only reporting to verified LE an illegal action by ihaveaquestion Nov 1 #23

and yet we feel the need for a 'scold' on responses rendered ... stopdiggin Nov 1 #24

I'm not risk averse. I'm averse to following random-ass instructions like this one. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 1 #25

This is a very horrific & confusing situation Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 1 #27

That'd make it easier to find. calimary Tuesday #46

Thanks Joinfortmill Nov 1 #21

I wouldn't say anything about what they claimed but just say armed men attacked a person and kidnapped them. Wonder Why Nov 1 #26

Recording the incident and calling 911 duckworth969 Nov 1 #28

An inconvenience to me... ret5hd Nov 2 #29

Record it while asking the victim their name and a phone number to call to notify others. nilram Nov 2 #33

Federal law enforcement in cooperation with state law enforcement is only kidnapping if courts & law ancianita Nov 2 #36

Witnesses to these incidents can't be expected to judge whether they are valid arrests or a kidnapping. ihaveaquestion Nov 2 #39

Witnesses can record & report it as anything they want to call it, for the little to no good that will do in red states ancianita Nov 2 #40

Of course not. But witnesses can also be "seen" by LEO's as obstructing their work. So be aware. ancianita Nov 2 #41

"Extrajudicial" like most words has various meanings and is a living word Ilikepurple Nov 2 #45

Definitely a keeper. calimary Tuesday #47