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edhopper

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Sat Nov 1, 2025, 08:33 AM Nov 1

Here's How the AI Crash Happens; The Atlantic [View all]

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/2025/10/data-centers-ai-crash/684765/?gift=nwn-guseqS6cY1kVeEKZAdaSthhtnZy-pwftXDjsd3E&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

Here is where the bubble dynamics get complicated. Tech firms don’t want to formally take on debt—that is, directly ask investors for loans—because debt looks bad on their balance sheets and could reduce shareholder returns. To get around this, some are partnering with private-equity titans to do some sophisticated financial engineering, Paul Kedrosky, an investor and a financial consultant, told us. These private-equity firms put up or raise the money to build a data center, which a tech company will repay through rent. Data-center leases from, say, Meta can then be repackaged into a financial instrument that people can buy and sell—a bond, in essence. Meta recently did just this: Blue Owl Capital raised money for a massive Meta data center in Louisiana by, in essence, issuing bonds backed by Meta’s rent. And multiple data-center leases can be combined into a security and sorted into what are called “tranches” based on their risk of default. Data centers represent an $800 billion market for private-equity firms through 2028 alone. (Meta has said of its arrangement with Blue Owl that the “innovative partnership was designed to support the speed and flexibility required for Meta’s data center projects.”)

In this way, the data-center financing ends up being a real-estate deal as much as an AI deal. If this sounds complicated, it’s supposed to: The complexity, investment structure, and repackaging make exactly what is going on hard to parse. And if the dynamics also sound familiar, it’s because not two decades ago, the Great Recession was precipitated by banks packaging risky mortgages into tranches of securities that were falsely marketed as high-quality. By 2008, the house of cards had collapsed.


A Bubble by any other name....
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dupe Celerity Nov 1 #1
Great minds... edhopper Nov 1 #5
Biggest difference in '08 is that Meta, et.al. have tons of money. Callie1979 Nov 1 #2
That is just Meta edhopper Nov 1 #6
But META's P/E is about 28; not really inflated compared to the broader market Callie1979 Nov 1 #10
I don't think that poor people were the main drivers of the 2008 crash. yardwork Nov 1 #9
Housing defaults were the biggest driver & being "poor" wasnt required. Callie1979 Nov 1 #12
It was agnostic about poor/rich. The problem was layers of wrapping that disguised the true value of the securities. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 1 #17
We may already have built way too many data centers. paleotn Nov 1 #14
+1 leftstreet Nov 1 #24
They all think they're going to find the pot o' gold at the end of the rainbow FakeNoose Nov 1 #36
Thanks for the gift link FakeNoose Nov 1 #3
Can air or ether be far behind? ntp AnnaLee Nov 1 #4
Well people do pay ridiculous prices edhopper Nov 1 #7
And there ARE "oxygen bars"! Callie1979 Nov 1 #13
modern oxygen bars have been around since before I was born (1996) and talked about since 1776 Celerity Nov 1 #15
Nitwits go to oxygen bars & then consume tons of anti-oxidant supplements. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 1 #18
Somehow, whoever holds it, the debt needs to be serviced. My problem is these tech folks get bailed out by taxpayers. dutch777 Nov 1 #8
I can easily imagine a government bail out... hunter Nov 1 #20
I hope it happens before it does more damage jfz9580m Nov 1 #11
It's a decent article but does not deliver on the title promise. I read it in Celerity's thread Bernardo de La Paz Nov 1 #16
I think this paragraph lays it out edhopper Nov 1 #27
Yes, that is one way it might happen. Thanks . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 1 #30
I think the article isn't predictive edhopper Nov 1 #31
It might not crash. It is a bubble, but might deflate in an orderly way, like Meta dropping 11% this week Bernardo de La Paz Nov 1 #32
I am not sure when the last Bubble edhopper Nov 1 #34
Can't happen soon enough. Borogove Nov 1 #19
DUPE bif Nov 1 #21
Be careful where you invest your money, peeps. Joinfortmill Nov 1 #22
So if you have index funds, buy puts as a hedge (insurance)? 3Hotdogs Nov 1 #23
80% of the run up this year4 edhopper Nov 1 #26
Cautiously, after much study Bernardo de La Paz Nov 1 #33
Learn to use stop loss GreatGazoo Nov 1 #35
But the billions into Data Centers edhopper Nov 1 #37
Some of the infrastructure entities GreatGazoo Nov 1 #40
Appl, Google MSFT,Meta edhopper Nov 1 #41
Lawyers and their henchmen accountants. or vice versa Tetrachloride Nov 1 #25
The key point: Meta, Amazon et al will have no responsibility for the data center bankruptcies Bluetus Nov 1 #28
My greatest concern with AI has nothing to do with economic impact Martin Eden Nov 1 #29
The Big Short - great break down of 2008 housing collapse... lame54 Nov 1 #38
Actually, fwiw, snot Nov 1 #39
Powell just said AI isn't a bubble SamuelTheThird Nov 1 #42
And the folks that ignored the Housing Bubble agree edhopper Nov 2 #43
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