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Bluetus

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68. WTF? Is that your argument?
Wed Oct 22, 2025, 11:14 PM
Oct 22

You present a piece of artwork that has nothing to do with Plattner, you claim that artwork is a Nazi thing (and it may be). You claim that Plattner's tattoo looks just like your artwork, but you can't show us a picture of the actual tattoo?

And then you say it is MY responsibility to prove that he didn't have a tattoo resembling your artwork?

Come on. Seriously?

If you want to have credibility in this instance, you really need to show the original tattoo. Plattner has said he regarded the tattoo as a plain old skull and crossbones and he was unaware until recently that the image has been associated with Nazi police. A basic skull and crossbones is quite common and few people would be aware that there was a special variation of skull and crossbones that had a particular Nazi association. In addition, this symbol was not used broadly across the Nazi movement, but was adopted by a few divisions, and even in that limited use, there wasn't a single version of the artwork. There were variations. Compared to other common skull and crossbones artwork, the Nazi ones are distinct by placing the bones behind the neck, whereas it is more common to place the bones below the skull. Also, the Nazi variations all seem to depict a fracture in the skull. Did Plattner's tattoo have these features? Did it have any text that would clearly associate it with the Nazi usage?

Be honest. A week ago, if you saw somebody on the street with this particular style of skull and crossbones, would you have associated that with the Nazi police? I am betting fewer than 1 in 10,000 people would do so.

This sign warning of poison looks very much like your artwork. If a company had this sign on display, would you suspect the company is a secret Nazi operation?
https://www.mysafetylabels.com/warning-labels/iso-7010-safety-label-toxic-poison/sku-lb-0443

We might all heed the disclaimer on the Anti-Defamation League website: "All the symbols depicted in the hate symbols database must be evaluated in the context in which they appear. Few symbols represent just one idea or are used exclusively by one group."

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I was interested in seeing Platner over the course of the primary Blue_Adept Oct 22 #1
I think Platner has major emotional stability issues. lostincalifornia Oct 22 #4
I'm just baffled at people seemingly okay with normalizing nazi tattoos Blue_Adept Oct 22 #6
No one is doing that leftstreet Oct 22 #7
It should also be disqualifying Shrek Oct 22 #9
To me, there's an element of plausible deniability on the tattoo EdmondDantes_ Oct 22 #20
He minimized sexual assault and suggested Black people were penurious DemocratSinceBirth Oct 22 #22
Yep. He's got a lot that's problematic EdmondDantes_ Oct 22 #26
He has a lot of issues. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 22 #33
I don't see any difference between JustAnotherGen Oct 22 #41
It lets us know who our allies are Keepthesoulalive Saturday #110
Penurious. Wednesdays Monday #159
He whimsically asked "Why Black people don't tip" on Reddit? DemocratSinceBirth 6 hrs ago #166
I also have not seen it in ANY resolution, and I get the feeling that ... Bluetus Oct 22 #66
What has he done Keepthesoulalive Saturday #109
We should be demanding real plans and real goals from EVERY candidate Bluetus Saturday #111
I asked Keepthesoulalive Saturday #112
It is a fair question of any candidate Bluetus Sunday #113
Please tell me Keepthesoulalive Sunday #114
If you are looking for school board, county party chair, dogcatcher Bluetus Sunday #117
I am not concerned about age Keepthesoulalive Sunday #126
It is not a binary choice Bluetus Sunday #147
I understand racism is not important to some people Keepthesoulalive Sunday #150
I didn't say we should ignore it Bluetus Monday #156
Again I'm asking for credentials Keepthesoulalive Monday #157
Yes! betsuni Monday #161
"I can excuse the reddit posts" Blue_Adept Oct 22 #10
Well, the party will miss you leftstreet Oct 22 #12
Yes, they are obamanut2012 Oct 22 #34
Meh leftstreet Oct 22 #38
He is actively choosing to keep the tattoo. iemanja Oct 22 #53
Since when ??? I heard he stated that he would have it removed... Jack Valentino Oct 24 #100
He had it done over on Tuesday iemanja Oct 24 #101
yeah.... and was hardly ever shirtless in public where anyone would see it, either... Jack Valentino Saturday #105
He didn't have to get that tattoo, Jack Quiet Em Saturday #108
He did this and wrote the other things as an adult karynnj Oct 22 #72
With a different spin. mr715 6 hrs ago #167
This message was self-deleted by its author leftstreet Oct 22 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Oct 22 #50
Yes. Big Blue Marble Oct 22 #32
According to his wiki bio, he was diagnosed with PTSD after his niyad Monday #155
The Fetterman syndrome Bluetus Oct 22 #14
Like I said, there's something like 8 people running in the primary Blue_Adept Oct 22 #16
Plattner looks like a drip-drip-drip candidate Bluetus Oct 22 #21
"Out of touch?" DFW Oct 22 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author questionseverything Oct 22 #31
she's 77 now Blue_Adept Oct 22 #40
People aren't voting until 2026 iemanja Oct 22 #54
They have had younger candidates and they lost JI7 Oct 22 #56
Youth isn't the only requirement Bluetus Oct 22 #59
They vote for Collins because she brings home the "pork". JI7 Oct 22 #67
It is the job of the challenger to show that Collins is actually aiding Trump Bluetus Oct 22 #69
You assume people share your views JI7 Oct 22 #70
Funny you should say that, because there is a new poll Bluetus Oct 24 #93
Their actions say more with repeatedly reelecting Susan Collins JI7 Oct 24 #96
What choices have they really had? Bluetus Oct 24 #97
There are clear differences between the candidates JI7 Oct 24 #98
Platner is being confronted with his own words and actions. Quiet Em Oct 24 #99
Much like Maine is nothing like New York City... Jack Valentino Saturday #104
It is not ok to sport Nazi tattoos and say extremely disparaging things in Maine or in NYC Quiet Em Saturday #106
Who has a better chance of winning ? JI7 Oct 22 #2
The governor - by at least ten to one FBaggins Sunday #133
Through his disqualifying comments and behaviors I think Mills has the better chance. Climate Crusader Oct 22 #3
According to the latest polls womanofthehills Sunday #115
I'm going with someone who is younger and has served in Autumn Oct 22 #5
The question is, has he really overcome his demons? Bluetus Oct 22 #17
Right, Fetterman had some red flags we were willing to look past. Not anymore uponit7771 Sunday #135
Right, Fetterman had some red flags we were willing to look past. Not anymore uponit7771 Sunday #136
wow obamanut2012 Oct 22 #35
Younger and with military experience DFW Oct 22 #46
Some people will vote for the worst candidate as long as he is awesomerwb1 Oct 23 #80
Yep. There is a reason I vote "establishment" even though I am progressive. nt Blasphemer Oct 22 #48
I am too because he is very anti- genocide womanofthehills Sunday #116
I was impressed when he said that he shit talked and posted about things he knew nothing Autumn Sunday #124
Same thought crime Sunday #140
I know there would be a hell of a lot I would have to be held accountable for. Autumn Sunday #143
Shoot, there are conversations I had LAST WEEK Wednesdays Monday #160
"..he said that he shit talked and posted about things he knew nothing about when he was in the infantry." EX500rider Monday #165
He has a Nazi tattoo on his chest Quiet Em Sunday #149
Tulsi Gabbard was the True Progressive anti-war candidate running against the party (Democrats are the REAL warmongers) betsuni Sunday #152
I'm not registered to vote in Maine n/t Shrek Oct 22 #8
Nor am I, but we can offer an opinion... n/t hlthe2b Oct 22 #24
I support Mills Just_Vote_Dem Oct 22 #13
Mills' CV seems more productive, substantial and much less problematic Torchlight Oct 22 #15
While I would like to see a younger candidate, Mills avebury Oct 22 #18
While I would like to see a younger candidate, Mills avebury Oct 22 #19
Her age seems to be the only issue for folks... Well, she appears completely healthy & hlthe2b Oct 22 #23
blackwater + nazi tattoo waddirum Oct 22 #25
The Blackwater past employment also pesters me LetMyPeopleVote Oct 23 #87
Don't live in Maine so my support will be purely based on what policies they are pushing. So far, Platner's Nanjeanne Oct 22 #27
Too soon eShirl Oct 22 #28
Can we pick "orher"? Ritabert Oct 22 #29
Definitely opp research attacks being dropped JCMach1 Oct 22 #30
The decision is up to the Democratic voters in Maine. yardwork Oct 22 #36
Yes, but the Whole Country has a Cha Oct 22 #51
True. Good for you, Cha! yardwork Oct 23 #78
Remember Mills was one of the first leaders to stand up to Trump Big Blue Marble Oct 22 #37
1 - I'm not in state JustAnotherGen Oct 22 #39
Jordan Wood has the 2nd highest campaign donations so far (close behind Platner) according to Wikipedia eShirl Oct 22 #42
I'm impressed by his fundraising numbers (small dollar donors) JustAnotherGen Oct 22 #43
Might consider Platner MaineBlueBear Oct 22 #44
he got it made into a different tattoo, celtic style dog eShirl Oct 22 #45
On Tuesday iemanja Oct 22 #55
I'm not arguing in favor of him. n/t eShirl Oct 22 #57
Agree. I like this response from Keith Olberman MaineBlueBear Oct 23 #73
Says the guy Kali999 Oct 23 #81
lolol Celerity Oct 23 #86
Hmm, a Cu róisín_dubh Monday #163
Removing the tattoo doesn't erase the fact he had it nini Oct 22 #58
Some of these criticisms seem really knee-jerk Bluetus Oct 22 #60
I guess it depends how familiar you are with nazi symbols EX500rider Oct 22 #63
The tattoo, after modification, looks nothing like that. Bluetus Oct 22 #64
Have you seen any evidence that he denies that's what was on his chest for 18 years? EX500rider Oct 22 #65
WTF? Is that your argument? Bluetus Oct 22 #68
You apparently haven't read a much about this cuz that's what the tattoo is EX500rider Oct 22 #71
Show me the picture Bluetus Oct 23 #74
So you think if he was accused of having a Nazi tattoo and didn't actually have one he might say so? EX500rider Oct 23 #75
That is exactly what he said. Bluetus Oct 23 #79
Saying I didn't realize it was a Nazi tattoo is actually acknowledging it is a Nazi tattoo EX500rider Oct 23 #82
So you are not going to link to the picture? Bluetus Oct 23 #84
Here you go Blue_Adept Oct 23 #85
Thank you. There is some resemblance to the Nazi usage Bluetus Oct 23 #90
Your ability to downplay this says more about you than anything else Blue_Adept Oct 24 #91
"Vast majority" ? No. You are dead wrong about that. Bluetus Oct 24 #92
You can do your own research EX500rider Oct 23 #89
The picture may not be obvious on your phone or a small monitor EX500rider Oct 23 #76
Here: sop Sunday #127
Bingo. And the controversy began soon after Mills jumped in. thought crime Sunday #138
You don't get to blame Governor Mills for this man's awful decisions and words. Quiet Em Sunday #142
Post removed Post removed Monday #162
You seem to be angry that Platner is being held accountable for what Platner himself did Quiet Em Monday #164
And there is an extreme bias against millennials and Gen-Xers Bluetus Sunday #145
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Sunday #148
Yes, divisive talking point, fake martyrs pretending the Old Geezer Guard's coming to get them like in a zombie movie. betsuni Sunday #154
If Mills is the candidate thought crime Sunday #125
I like Janet Mills, but I prefer someone younger. Emile Oct 22 #47
She would be 79 at the beginning of her term. thought crime Sunday #123
Not Graham Platner Polybius Oct 22 #49
A Nazi tattoo is a no go for me. iemanja Oct 22 #52
The real nazis are gestapo on the streets DoBW Oct 22 #62
If Platner can prove to handle these revalations with enough evidence he has changed SSJVegeta Oct 23 #77
What kind of things could he do that would be significant enough to counter all karynnj Oct 23 #88
Mills is actually electable LetMyPeopleVote Oct 23 #83
She would be 79 when she took office in the Senate. Not an issue? thought crime Sunday #119
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Sunday #120
If MAGA voted for a Lefty who is clearly NOT a Nazi? Yeah, kinda funny. thought crime Sunday #137
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Sunday #139
You know what is fucking gross? Quiet Em Sunday #141
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Oct 24 #94
Not looking good for Platner ... it's it? QueerDuck Oct 24 #95
His very entitled rich kid credentials are giving me pause, as they should you. See link Hekate Oct 24 #102
Check the credentials of the author of that linked article. thought crime Sunday #118
Can you expand a bit? Hekate Sunday #131
You linked to a post referring to an article written by a right-wing author criticizing Platner. thought crime Sunday #134
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Sunday #121
Too many questionable issues too fast for Platner. DinahMoeHum Oct 24 #103
Neither. We have youth inspiring, will be 79 yr old Mills Hassler Saturday #107
Susan Collins is Not concerned... thought crime Sunday #122
Voted 'Other' for two reasons RandomNumbers Sunday #128
How long ago did he have the tattoo removed? n/t Stargleamer Sunday #129
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Sunday #130
This candidate's tattoo was inspired by someone you all look up to. . . Stargleamer Sunday #132
I would choose wood dsc Sunday #144
First Platner but now Mills mvd Sunday #146
Anyone that can beat Susan Collins kimbutgar Sunday #151
This polling made me smile LetMyPeopleVote Sunday #153
I thinik there is age discrimination... kentuck Monday #158
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