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In reply to the discussion: When did it become legal for any president to say he would withold [View all]pat_k
(12,201 posts)52. Simple statements, stated over and over and over, are desperately needed.
        And it doesn't need to be complicated. I think something as simple as this could do the trick:
The president promises to carry out the laws passed by Congress, whether they like them or not. If a president doesn't like a law, they work with congress to change it. It's a crime for a president or the people who work for him to single-handedly end a program Congress created. That's not how our government works.
Leave the erudite discussions of the balance of powers and how complicated the body of law that has evolved to deal with all sorts of grey areas has become for the experts. Within all that, the basic principles are sound and true.
I think perhaps the BIGGEST problem we have within the Democratic Party is a fear of making simple statements, either because we have in our heads a myriad of complicated exceptions or caveats and we lose track of the basic truth (or we fear there are little exceptions we don't know about).
Bottom line. Over and over, we lose people because we've lost sight of the forest for the trees.
We MUST stop making that mistake.
Looking for the right "message"? Just tell it simply. Assume no knowledge. Think about explaining to a 7 year old.
And if the message is challenged with "it's not that simple," great. Any exception they come up with always boils down to an attempt to deal with a grey area in a way that preserves the basic principle, so you've actually just been given the opportunity to bring it back to the basic principle.
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        Saying that he would withhold funds is constitutionally protected speech.
        mahatmakanejeeves
        Oct 15
        #2
      
        
        Even "doing" essentially became legal the day the SC ruled he could not be criminally prosecuted for any official action
        thesquanderer
        Oct 15
        #14
      
        
        i think if you say something as president it has more ramifications than just anyone saying it
        MadameButterfly
        Oct 15
        #60
      
        
        Trump will pardon Miller and Vought before he leaves office (if he ever does). Unless...
        thesquanderer
        Oct 15
        #16
      
        
        If we still had shunning, I posit these people would have banished pariahs long ago.
        yellow dahlia
        Oct 15
        #47
      
        
        if anybody paid atttention to what he  said last time , he is doing exactly what he said he was going to do
        AllaN01Bear
        Oct 15
        #18
      
        
        When the Supreme Court told him he could do what he wants without consequence.
        Happy Hoosier
        Oct 15
        #23
      
        
        Hmm.. Rule of law vs the lawless? But if the government does nothing against the lawless?
        LiberalArkie
        Oct 15
        #24
      
        
        This is like so many other things in the era of the Donny the Menace: we will find out that there was never a...
        Ol Janx Spirit
        Oct 15
        #33
      
        
        When our elected officials and our voters decided not to show up and let them do it
        oldmanlynn
        Oct 15
        #56
      
        
        The 6 sitting piles of shit on the SC gave him carte blanche to do whatever the fuck he wants
        wolfie001
        Oct 15
        #58
      
        
        It's legal to SAY nearly anything, and Trump does---- but it's not legal for him to actually DO it!
        Jack Valentino
        Oct 15
        #61
      
  