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Fiendish Thingy

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21. I think you're missing the point

Thu Oct 9, 2025, 08:55 PM

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It’s not about far left Dems leaving the party and running as independents, it’s about Dems in swing districts not running away from the progressive policies that are supported by a majority of Americans.

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Centrist Dems Have Already Forgotten About Kamala Harris: Pivoting to the right didn't work in 2024. It won't work now. [View all] Celerity Oct 9 OP

Will John Fetterman turn Republican before the Centrist Dems can nominate him? Ping Tung Oct 9 #1

Fetterman is not the person I voted for, gab13by13 Oct 10 #26

Sigh. Why do they never talk about Ross Perot? leftstreet Oct 9 #2

That actually isn't true, at least not entirely dsc Oct 9 #4

Perot got over 19 million votes leftstreet Oct 9 #6

This has been proven wrong. W_HAMILTON Oct 9 #5

That's a BS GOP talking point SocialDemocrat61 Oct 9 #9

I can find links that say the opposite leftstreet Oct 9 #10

Really? SocialDemocrat61 Oct 9 #11

The Biden administration was the most progressive in decades... W_HAMILTON Oct 9 #3

The policies of the left *are* popular, supported by a majority of Americans Fiendish Thingy Oct 9 #7

Oh, so it falls back to the dastardly DNC rigging everything, just so we can ... lose. W_HAMILTON Oct 9 #12

Don't ask me, ask the DNC Fiendish Thingy Oct 9 #18

There's nothing stopping them from running as an independent progressive. W_HAMILTON Oct 9 #19

I think you're missing the point Fiendish Thingy Oct 9 #21

You are the one that blamed their losses on labels -- liberals, Democrats, etc. W_HAMILTON Oct 10 #22

Again, you misunderstand my position Fiendish Thingy Oct 10 #23

Evolve how much? We are already for most of the ideas progressives want. W_HAMILTON Oct 10 #25

I'm not talking about perfectionism Fiendish Thingy Oct 10 #28

There aren't many "rogue saboteurs" and it's something that's been addressed. W_HAMILTON Oct 10 #39

Look at other posts in this thread for details on how Golden helped sabotage the BBB. Nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 10 #40

Consultants get paid Bettie Oct 10 #31

Biden's 2 big infrastructure bills were shredded by a handful of centrists and conservadems (Problem Solvers in the House Celerity Oct 9 #8

Thank you for providing evidence that the Biden administration was quite progressive. W_HAMILTON Oct 9 #16

Some will still not acknowledge why they lost and have been losing Passages Oct 9 #13

I've seen comments on this site suggesting that Dems move further to the right AStern Oct 9 #14

Harris was not a "pivot right." WTF!? NT. Happy Hoosier Oct 9 #15

Those who pivot to the left or are left can't win the primaries Kaleva Oct 9 #17

There it is! was waiting for this. gab13by13 Oct 10 #29

That's about money, not policy. CivicGrief Oct 10 #30

Bill Clinton turned the Democratic Party into the Republican Party MakeThemCry Oct 9 #20

Centrist establishment neoliberal shifted Right stands for nothing BILL CLINTON DESTROYED AMERICA betsuni Oct 10 #24

It's ridiculous, isn't it? QueerDuck Oct 10 #27

It's incredibly ridiculous considering the facts of the actual voting Nixie Oct 10 #34

Not incredibly ridiculous there is some truth to it standingtall Oct 10 #36

No. Just absolute disinformation. The whole reason the Nixie Oct 10 #37

As far as losing messages go, it right up there with the idiotic "Defund the Police" message/slogan. QueerDuck Oct 10 #38

Yes, that was a total loser and one they tried to pin on every Nixie Oct 10 #41

So what's happenned sense Democrats have been moving to the right standingtall Oct 11 #42

Very selective and biased. As usual. "centrist shitting on Nixie Oct 11 #44

Democrats lost the majority in the Senate standingtall Oct 11 #45

There would have been no Iraq war if Gore was elected, but Nixie Oct 11 #47

Strawman standingtall Oct 11 #48

Your screeds are also straw men. Based on reality, those that said Gore was the same as republicans Nixie Oct 11 #49

Being able to deliver is a prerequisite gulliver Oct 10 #32

This entire thread is the reason why Democrats lose. You all concentrate on policy too much. Wanderlust988 Oct 10 #33

Exactly. The Tough Guy persona worked. Nixie Oct 10 #35

Nah I believe policies matter standingtall Oct 11 #46

This depends on the issue. Ace Rothstein Oct 11 #43