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hunter

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17. My grandfather had three different birthdays, which caused some problems when he died.
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 06:33 PM
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Documentation must have been a little less important when he was growing up in the Wild West, especially for a white guy.

My grandfather's Army records, his Social Security records, and his California Driver's License all had him born on the same day and month, but different years.

When he was sixteen, as told by his sister, he ran away from his parent's home in the Montana wilderness to the "big city" of Cheyenne, Wyoming. Finding city life dull he decided to join the Army and see the world. Evidently he had trouble with that at first because records of his birth, if they ever existed, were lost. He got affidavits of his birth, birth date, and parentage from the clerk of the county where he was born. The county clerk probably asked around the small town where he was born and people remembered his father as the crazy man who took his family into the wilderness.

My grandfather served four years in the Army and was trained to be a mechanic. He was honorably discharged, married my grandma, and found work as a mine supervisor out in the middle of nowhere taking my grandma with him. They both went prospecting in their free time and my grandma thought it was all a fantastically romantic adventure. She wrote songs about it. Her mother was horrified. No, never, SHE was not going to let HER daughter raise HER grandchildren in the wilderness. So my great grandma bought my grandma a house in Los Angeles and told my grandfather he could live there with my grandma or go to hell. Knowing my great grandma she probably threatened him with guns or poison.

My grandfather decided to live in Los Angeles. That's when he got his California Driver's License, knocking some years off his age. He wasn't able to find any work that satisfied him, especially after the market crash of 1929, and decided to rejoin the Army.

As war was brewing with Germany and Japan the Army trained him as an aircraft mechanic. They put him to work supervising younger men. Eventually they sent him to engineering school. He never told anyone what he did during the war but he was later an engineer for the Apollo Project.

I don't know how my grandfather chose the year of his birth for his Social Security documents. Those put his age between his Army documents and his California Driver's License.

It seems to me a little sad that we must worry about "important papers" so much, especially those of us who are not privileged white men.

When I was a feral young man I traveled all over the Western United States without any ID at all. I'd memorized my driver's license number and the few times I was pulled over I got the cops to accept that. They'd radio in and the number checked out. I had an ATM card too that just had numbers on it, not my name. I don't know if banks will do that any more.

My university ID was important to me too, but only when I was on campus. When I was traveling I left it at home. It was important because it allowed me to check out stuff from the library. During times I wasn't enrolled I had a university library card. I also used the university gyms and showers but nobody every asked me for identification, people knew me and I rented a locker. Sometimes I lived out of that locker and a post office box.

The scary thing now is that fascist Republicans are going to use these "important papers," or the lack of them, to disenfranchise people or worse...

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"Don't put such documents in a safe deposit box at your bank. If the bank fails, they'll be lost forever." Sogo Thursday #1
Why the question marks. When banks close, it's verry difficult MineralMan Thursday #3
Another thing to know about safe deposit boxes...... popsdenver Thursday #11
What MM said is true BumRushDaShow Thursday #9
let me get this straight... ret5hd Thursday #20
"3) you arrive there and the box was already unlocked (drilled) while NOT in your presence" BumRushDaShow Friday #21
There's another good reason not to put wills and other documents in safe deposit boxes. yardwork Friday #24
Great advice. This afternoon, I have been doing just what you are advising. John1956PA Thursday #2
Smart! MineralMan Thursday #4
Just before I read your OP, I printed out my application for two copies of my birth certificate. John1956PA Thursday #12
I would also suggest..... lastlib Thursday #5
I already keep that in the safe. Along with all my account links. haele Thursday #8
That's standard procedure in places subject to wildfire. Have had one for years. usonian Thursday #6
Good advice. ancianita Thursday #10
Fuel stabilizer WmChris Friday #23
Have most together. Clouds Passing Thursday #7
I thought I had all my stuff together, but realize... Trueblue Texan Thursday #13
Regarding Passports PhylliPretzel Thursday #14
i had mine in a bank safe deposit , but , the bank kept raising the fee on me so i bought a fire safe the size of a AllaN01Bear Thursday #15
As a back-up, take cellphone photos of all these documents and store them Totally Tunsie Thursday #16
My grandfather had three different birthdays, which caused some problems when he died. hunter Thursday #17
The MAGATs are destroying the ways that America really was great. yardwork Friday #25
Half of those are in my Safety Dep Box, the rest BigmanPigman Thursday #18
Death certificates if your spouse passed away Marthe48 Thursday #19
Yes! MineralMan Friday #22
A few more things: Lochloosa Friday #26
Yes. Stocks left behind can be a real problem for heirs. MineralMan Friday #27
My father retired from GE after 30 years. It's trading in the 290 range right now. Lochloosa Friday #31
I have all of those documents in a safe place. ProudMNDemocrat Friday #28
Smart! MineralMan Friday #29
I plan to renew my Passport before I leave for Hawaii in January. ProudMNDemocrat Friday #30
My stuff is where it's been the last 40 something years: in a fireproof safe. mucholderthandirt Saturday #32
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